Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
07-17-2025 | 04:41 AM
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07-17-2025 | 04:49 AM
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I would prefer that IAs run as advertised… inverse… and that each pilot get their opportunity in that order rather than the FCFS free for all.
One 12 minute ARCOS award window for the entire IA list. Most junior pilot to acknowledge receives the IA.
Unfortunately we are stuck with the current CNO blast call system since it’s a waste of negotiating capital to modify.
One 12 minute ARCOS award window for the entire IA list. Most junior pilot to acknowledge receives the IA.
Unfortunately we are stuck with the current CNO blast call system since it’s a waste of negotiating capital to modify.
Further, they use IA way too easily and often. I know you guys on the sched committee are hard at work chasing down all the affected pilots, but it shouldn’t be that way.
There has to be a mutually beneficial way to crack this nut that honors seniority, saves them triple pay, and saves us needless 2am phone calls and STS cases. IMO, batch sizes are the way, with guardrails. I will forever be ****ed at DH for giving a massive value away for nothing. But I think the company can be made to see why batch sizes are actually a good thing.
07-17-2025 | 04:53 AM
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The reason why inverse assignments are inverse is because they aren't profers. The way our call out system is designed now, especially using the VRU in the way they are, inverse assignments are effectively proffers. They are designed to "punish" the most junior available pilot before a senior one and "trick them" to try and get them to pick up the phone. It's an archaic mentality that really isn't applicable to the way the airline does business. Furthermore, sending them to ARCOS further separates the entire premise of a IA making it a full proffer. They aren't designed to benefit a junior pilot over a senior pilot. If you are going to make IA a no auto accept, no batch ARCOS call, it needs to be seniority order.
And I want to be clear that I'm not interested in just bending over. We need to continue to enforce the contract and extra 300% pay out of the company. BUT, they will want relief and I fully support us negotiating meaningful and measurable contractual gains, especially outside of section 6. You want to be able to just pay premium and not 300%? Okay, here's how it'll work and we want x in return. That's how you use leverage.
And I want to be clear that I'm not interested in just bending over. We need to continue to enforce the contract and extra 300% pay out of the company. BUT, they will want relief and I fully support us negotiating meaningful and measurable contractual gains, especially outside of section 6. You want to be able to just pay premium and not 300%? Okay, here's how it'll work and we want x in return. That's how you use leverage.
07-17-2025 | 04:54 AM
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Yup, I think all of Delta got that call. I think mine was 6 hours late as well. It's par for the course just like how they'll let a trip sit awarded on someone's line (who has rejected it) for hours before moving on. The pace at which they move on after a decline/rejection/elapsed time window is probably more of an issue that the auto-accepts.
I'm with you on that, as long as we actually get something in return, unlike last time.
07-17-2025 | 05:56 AM
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Possibly. If I do use auto-accept, which is rare, I always try to immediately decline the award if I don't want it. That way scheduling can immediately move on to the next person instead of waiting 12 minutes for it to time out. If more people did that then the process would speed up considerably. But the other problem is that even when a pilot declines it sometimes takes scheduling a long time to pull the rotation and award it to the next person in line. That process needs better automation to help speed things up.
07-17-2025 | 06:06 AM
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But you can’t tell me I can’t use auto accept, especially while on duty, so that if it does get to me I have a chance (if I can answer my phone) and didn’t just miss it.
07-17-2025 | 07:00 AM
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This is what I’m saying. Our contract is dated. I’d like to see IA go out after GS coverage with no regards to auto-accept. Everyone gets a call, most senior that wants it gets trip. Everyone that gets a call gets 2 hours of pay (the old batch size vioaltion penalty). The 2 hours pay to everyone is to prevent them from skipping GS coverage without a huge cost. If they followed GS coverage the right way, it would never be used.
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