I despise the "like" button.

Marginalizes minority opinions.

Which, from time to time, are actually insanely insightful.

Carry on. (Don't "like" this)

I go to other sites for social media abuse.

APC about to become an echo chamber.

Likes aren't reality. Bank it.

("Oh wait, DBR doesn't have x1000 likes like from a poster "IDGAF!" who has lots of up votes! Best to go with IDGAF!!!!!" )

The site is free. Thanks for the insight. Sorry to see this is where it's going.


Mostly here for the "book thread." Where deliberate, thinking men post.

(I don't post a tenth of what I purchase, and read, in hard copy.)

Sigh.

 

So much this!

Ceo Gru:

Step 1: Abrogate seniority to violate contract to manufacture crisis.

Step 2: Cry that the crisis is unsustainable and that seniority is being violated.

Step 3: Utilize a vocal minority of pilots to post here and lean on their weak union reps to give relief because the status quo is “unsustainable” and the company needs relief.

Step 4: Have the union write the company into compliance so the violations aren’t violations anymore.

Step 5: Profit and go on to stealing the moon.

 

I never used auto accept when we had smaller batch sizes. I knew if a call came in I had a decent shot of actually getting it. With unlimited batch sizes I use it all the time now, that way I don’t get calls for things I’ll never even come close to getting.

 

This is oversimplified and inaccurate. Those of us saying that seniority is being violated are not asking to just waive the white flag. But things do need to change because seniority is being violated by 23m7. First come first serve premium pay where junior pilots gets hours of head start isn't how our PWA is supposed to award seniority.

 

Again, hours of head start isn’t accurate. I’ve lost many IAs that I’ve immediately called for to people way senior to me. But there does need to be a process (which is currently just a free for all), because there is no honoring of seniority in the IA process.

 

I would prefer that IAs run as advertised… inverse… and that each pilot get their opportunity in that order rather than the FCFS free for all.

One 12 minute ARCOS award window for the entire IA list. Most junior pilot to acknowledge receives the IA.

Unfortunately we are stuck with the current CNO blast call system since it’s a waste of negotiating capital to modify.

 

I understand your side, but on the flipside, skipping GS and going to IA isn't how our PWA is supposed to award seniority either. Chicken or egg. They have the ability to avoid this, they just won't do it because they want something from us. In the mean time, it may be painful for some, myself included. I dont get M7 and rarely has an IA made up to me or it goes senior because I'm slow on the call. It is what it is and I'd rather have this, than cave again. I'm truly not trying to be obstinate, I just don't agree that change is needed from us because the company won't follow the contract.

 

I got several IA calls during the last meltdown that were 6 hours after the time stamp in the recording and the trips weren't even on the current page of coverage. I got one recently overnight that was 30 minutes after the phone call's time stamp

 

Cool story. Does not change the fact that many are losing to people much more senior before they even get the call. I know plenty of people in my circle that this has happened to. Not a couple one offs.

 

The reason why inverse assignments are inverse is because they aren't profers. The way our call out system is designed now, especially using the VRU in the way they are, inverse assignments are effectively proffers. They are designed to "punish" the most junior available pilot before a senior one and "trick them" to try and get them to pick up the phone. It's an archaic mentality that really isn't applicable to the way the airline does business. Furthermore, sending them to ARCOS further separates the entire premise of a IA making it a full proffer. They aren't designed to benefit a junior pilot over a senior pilot. If you are going to make IA a no auto accept, no batch ARCOS call, it needs to be seniority order.

And I want to be clear that I'm not interested in just bending over. We need to continue to enforce the contract and extra 300% pay out of the company. BUT, they will want relief and I fully support us negotiating meaningful and measurable contractual gains, especially outside of section 6. You want to be able to just pay premium and not 300%? Okay, here's how it'll work and we want x in return. That's how you use leverage.