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Old 10-26-2022 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
At what point will you decide the grand slam strategy is not working? When we are talking about missing two contract cycles? I thought a modest 8,4,4 contract with a 18% DC and modest work rule improvements on time would have been a good deal for the pilot group. My ask would have been a bit higher had I known the inflation numbers. To bridge that gap as you state if this contract is 3 years long we are going to need around 40% total increases over the 3 years. Have you seen the results for other airlines so far? When do you see us getting that contract?
If the union believes the ask was correct we are going to need to start retro pay as of 31 Jan 19 at over 20%? Do you see that happening?
Once again, with 20/20 hindsight I would concede that would have been a wise move. I mean, If I had bought Bitcoin at a penny, I'd be a Billionaire!!! Or the lottery, or... Absolutely no one in the entire world saw the Mother of All Black Swans (MoABS)™ coming when we exchanged openers in 2019. No, I do not believe taking industry lagging raises (when the company is printing $6B annually) just to get something "on the books" is a wise strategy in general terms.

But no, I do not see the DOS % being Retro back to 1/1/20. But I do expect at LEAST inflation adjusted Retro back to 1/1/20.

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Tell me you haven't seen the polling without telling me you haven't seen the polling
Or talked to a Rep. Or gone to a LEC meeting. Or...
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Old 10-26-2022 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
What is the other option? Doing what United did and settling for a new suit case? How is that working for them? I'd rather be where we are than where they are.
Preach it.
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Old 10-26-2022 | 03:30 PM
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I fear the delusional wish lists & demands will get us parked and the soonest we see a contract will be 2025 or 26…,after a few more 1000 retire. By that time retro is history and we’ll get a signing bonus which cuts out the retirees altogether.
Yep.....filler
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Old 10-26-2022 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Softheborder
I fear the delusional wish lists & demands will get us parked and the soonest we see a contract will be 2025 or 26…,after a few more 1000 retire. By that time retro is history and we’ll get a signing bonus which cuts out the retirees altogether.
Company plant.
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Old 10-26-2022 | 04:44 PM
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I’m really enjoying the unity displayed here.

The MEC provides direction based off the majority’s responses to polling. Seems some who don’t agree with the way it’s being handled would rather dig a hole underneath our negotiators than show support. Part of the requested “adult” leadership is understanding it isn’t always about you and you aren’t always right. Be a team player and support your union, they're the one’s negotiating our contract.
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Old 10-26-2022 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
I’m really enjoying the unity displayed here.

The MEC provides direction based off the majority’s responses to polling. Seems some who don’t agree with the way it’s being handled would rather dig a hole underneath our negotiators than show support. Part of the requested “adult” leadership is understanding it isn’t always about you and you aren’t always right. Be a team player and support your union, they're the one’s negotiating our contract.
Preach it x2
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Old 10-26-2022 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its working so well for us isn’t it!
I imagine we’ll know in 3-6 months.
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Old 10-26-2022 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
Company plant.
Pound Sand. You don’t know me. I’m as far away from a Company plant as you can get. A realist yes, delusional no. Demanding what we perceive ourselves to be worth in 2019 cost us an entire contract cycle. We are well on the way to being parked. What did Einstein say about insanity & doing the same thing over & over???

Have our results changed???
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Old 10-27-2022 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Softheborder
Pound Sand. You don’t know me. I’m as far away from a Company plant as you can get. A realist yes, delusional no. Demanding what we perceive ourselves to be worth in 2019 cost us an entire contract cycle. We are well on the way to being parked. What did Einstein say about insanity & doing the same thing over & over???

Have our results changed???
I agree with you. Some folks just don’t want to hear the realistic POVs, so they’d rather sling mud. I’d say most pilots fall in a category of being realistic, but what you encounter online generally are the ends of the bell curve. With that said, we have to see how the strike vote goes but I think our union needs to temper our expectations. Other things to consider are the risk/reward for continuing to drag things out vs truly finding the middle ground. I’m bearish on the macro economic picture for the near term and I believe whatever leverage we had recently is going to diminish rapidly.

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Old 10-27-2022 | 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I imagine we’ll know in 3-6 months.
I suspect a bit sooner.
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