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Old 06-15-2023 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Draw yourself a picture of WS after a GS. I don't think it has the impact you are imply
It absolutely does. I live it. Easy high credit one day WS goes to the senior guy who’s already had his GS and is padding his line. Could have gone to me as a GS. What am I missing?
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Old 06-15-2023 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
It absolutely does. I live it. Easy high credit one day WS goes to the senior guy who’s already had his GS and is padding his line. Could have gone to me as a GS. What am I missing?
GS threshold is usually the reason. Drop schedule, GS, pick up WS for the threshold. Done it many times.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 01:12 PM
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GS threshold is usually the reason. Drop schedule, GS, pick up WS for the threshold. Done it many times.

“Usually the reason”. I’ll respectively point out I’m quite familiar with how trip coverage works here in my base and seat. It’s the regular senior guys and the names are well known. These are guys I flew with as an FO, how they operate is no secret.

Happened today, familiar name WS’d a day trip, he blocked 1:32 for a 5:15 payday. Could have been a 10:30 payday for someone’s 1st GS. Totally within his contractual rights and I don’t fault him for working the system to his favor.

My original point is it’s not fair for anyone to attempt to shame others for working within the framework of a contract we collectively agreed to.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
OOBWS is legal per the PWA. You don't have to like it, but all Delta pilots must accept it. If you want to remove or adjust OOBWS on the trip coverage ladder talk to your reps. If it's the will of the pilot group an LOA can be done.
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So is picking up a GS with pilots on Furlough. I am not saying it’s the same thing, at all. Just pointing out there is a line, and some shades of grey short of it with varying degrees of appropriateness to different people.

I don’t have an issue with the occasional OOBWS “good deal”. Especially for a NH FO unable to AE away from his initial assignment. What I DO have a big problem with is people flying (almost) all their trips in a base they either 1) cannot hold, or 2) would take a major seniority hit to bid where they actually fly. It’s unseemly, IMO. You want to fly out of the base where you live? Bid it.

That said, and as you said Trip, it’s legal and in the contract. But as mentioned already, be prepared to read the room. I’d be all for limiting OOBWS somehow, not to the point where you can’t pick up one, or even two. But to where you can’t feast solely on them. JMO.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 02:35 PM
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Let me say it loud and clear for all those in the back of the room, those that aren't familiar with RG, or those that are so far up his arse their vision is clouded....

During Covid, when the bottom 20% of the seniority list was looking down the barrel of a furlough with the letters in hand, this amazing "leader" in Flight Ops, during a live town hall said "what's a SIL' with a sh!t eating grin on his face and let out a little chuckle...that was his response to a user submitted questions about the possibility of SIL's to prevent furloughs.

He F@CKING LAUGHED while the pilots he "leads" were about to get kicked to the street. It was amazingly convenient that the 2,558 WARN letters that went out only went back to Dec 2016 hires...in case you are wondering, RG was hired Nov 2016.

I wouldn't pizz on him if he was on fire.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 02:39 PM
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Occasionally the Company memos/press releases state RG is a "Navy Veteran"

Anybody know what he did in the Navy?

If he is from one of my communities (VAW and HSL) I apologize in advance.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Occasionally the Company memos/press releases state RG is a "Navy Veteran"

Anybody know what he did in the Navy?

If he is from one of my communities (VAW and HSL) I apologize in advance.
This is from his LinkedIn Bio "Ryan served as an enlisted service member in the United States Navy and holds a bachelor’s degree in Aeronautical Sciences from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Ryan has a wealth of airline leadership experience from both inside and outside the flight deck.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Let me say it loud and clear for all those in the back of the room, those that aren't familiar with RG, or those that are so far up his arse their vision is clouded....

During Covid, when the bottom 20% of the seniority list was looking down the barrel of a furlough with the letters in hand, this amazing "leader" in Flight Ops, during a live town hall said "what's a SIL' with a sh!t eating grin on his face and let out a little chuckle...that was his response to a user submitted questions about the possibility of SIL's to prevent furloughs.

He F@CKING LAUGHED while the pilots he "leads" were about to get kicked to the street. It was amazingly convenient that the 2,558 WARN letters that went out only went back to Dec 2016 hires...in case you are wondering, RG was hired Nov 2016.

I wouldn't pizz on him if he was on fire.
This needs to be pinned
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Old 06-15-2023 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
So is picking up a GS with pilots on Furlough. I am not saying it’s the same thing, at all. Just pointing out there is a line, and some shades of grey short of it with varying degrees of appropriateness to different people.

I don’t have an issue with the occasional OOBWS “good deal”. Especially for a NH FO unable to AE away from his initial assignment. What I DO have a big problem with is people flying (almost) all their trips in a base they either 1) cannot hold, or 2) would take a major seniority hit to bid where they actually fly. It’s unseemly, IMO. You want to fly out of the base where you live? Bid it.

That said, and as you said Trip, it’s legal and in the contract. But as mentioned already, be prepared to read the room. I’d be all for limiting OOBWS somehow, not to the point where you can’t pick up one, or even two. But to where you can’t feast solely on them. JMO.
Looks like what you have a problem with is exactly what I do. All I can say is it’s legal per the PWA and but if the majority of pilots seek a change via an LOA can be written.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Occasionally the Company memos/press releases state RG is a "Navy Veteran"

Anybody know what he did in the Navy?

If he is from one of my communities (VAW and HSL) I apologize in advance.
Was told he was a rescue swimmer or diver. Heard it from Teresa, the old military affairs rep.
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