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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
I'm missing the meaning...? So am I or am I not the father?
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:15 AM
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The funny thing is a lot of our sick burn the company does to themselves via UMR.

Tore a tendon. Saw doc that day. "you need surgery, and an MRI first just so I have right parts on hand"

Took a couple weeks before UMR would approve the MRI. It showed exactly what doc thought it would.

Then UMR said we had to try alternative therapy before they'd approve surgery. It's only a realistic option with a 6mm or smaller tear. I had a 14mm tear.

The tear got worse, and tendon detached. UMR finally approved "emergency" surgery as I no longer had use of arm.

Way more involved, expensive surgery. Same 2 week recovery. But I will likely have to do follow up surgeries because the alternative therapy had a risk and that risk (tendon detachment) came to pass.

This would've been under a month and 75ish hours of sick, but turned into 2.5 months and just under 200 hours sick.

Delta via UMR caused 125 hours of sick use that if they had just approved the surgery that wouldn't have been needed.

This and a previous surgery were needed late in a fiscal quarter, and in both cases as soon as a new quarter hit, surgery approved.

Feels like they approve things based on quarterly targets and not medical necessities.
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:17 AM
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While we're having the historic discussion, is there a reason the sick year resets on the same month for everyone? At surface level it seems kinda dumb that it doesn't reset on an individuals anniversary.
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Honest question, is the note thing really that big of a deal? The one I've had to provide in over a decade was easy enough and only becuase of a GFB call. If that rate keeps up, having to provide 2 or 3 notes in a 3.5 decade career is a small pain to keep an amazing sick benefit. I wasn't a fan of it initially, but I really don't understand the gnashing of teeth over this. The fact that there was a question about switching to an accumulation model is concerning.
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Well I mean, what happened is the literal definition of representative governance.
So every thing is representative since we have representatives? The root of this is represent. How do they know without discussion or debate what they are representing?
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
While we're having the historic discussion, is there a reason the sick year resets on the same month for everyone? At surface level it seems kinda dumb that it doesn't reset on an individuals anniversary.
That has come up in the past. Many have suggested your sick year resetting on your individual hire month, like APD does.

I wouldn't be surprised if the company didn't want that because they didn't think they could handle the IT of it...
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
So every thing is representative since we have representatives? The root of this is represent. How do they know without discussion or debate what they are representing?
Did you contact your reps recently to tell them your displeasure with the current IA free-for-all?

Attend an LEC meeting?
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
If you truly believe this then we should have gotten a much better deal.
Okay, I'll bite. Why do YOU think the company agreed to suddenly flip their position, and suddenly agree to exclude sick verification from July to at least January (6 months) and probably more like March or April (9+ months)?
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
That has come up in the past. Many have suggested your sick year resetting on your individual hire month, like APD does.

I wouldn't be surprised if the company didn't want that because they didn't think they could handle the IT of it...

I just assumed it was so they could hold up the May sick leave spike as a reason to make our sick leave more onerous during contract negotiations. We already have vacation that resets in April and APD/Pay/everything else that resets on your hire month, so I don't see why it would be stretch for our IT to align it with APD/Pay.
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Old 11-03-2025 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Okay, I'll bite. Why do YOU think the company agreed to suddenly flip their position, and suddenly agree to exclude sick verification from July to at least January (6 months) and probably more like March or April (9+ months)?
Because they needed to tag a win on to the IA coverage solution. Sick has never been a costly issue just an emotional one for the company and the pilots. GFBs aren't catching abusers and abusers aren't a real driver for payroll costs. This has always been about the "feels" and not the outlier fringe. This was an easy give and will cost them nothing. The 99.9999999% honest operators will continue to be reliable and the rest will continue to evade punishment.
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