Regional airline pilots have not undercut the mainline pilots.

Mainline pilots have undercut mainline pilots.

See TA 2012 vs CAL scope.

EXACTLY! I was wondering how long before I had to listen to my brethren start talking about how the regionals stole another 70 jets. We hand them out freely for a meager raise and then say scope isn't for sale.
There was no gun to the head, not that this would make the decision ok.

I voted no, wrote my reps to vote no before the TA was even voted on by the MEC, and tried to convince as many pilots as possible to vote no. There was nothing I could do as I am in the minority. History just keeps repeating itself. Next contract will either allow more 76 seat aircraft or will allow all the 76 seat aircraft currently flying to add 4 more seats thus becoming 80 seat aircraft. 4 more seats will be voted in for a raise as it's "only 4 more seats." I'm seen this movie before. I know how it ends. Oh yeah, United will give scope relief as well as US Airways. We just started the race back up on giving up scope. Pattern bargaining is alive and well.

I can read your blathering no more. Do you seriously think that UCal is gonna get the more restrictive CAL scope? If you do, how much of a paycut do you think they are gonna have to get it? Or are you naive enough to seriously believe that coworker Jeff (love that term) is just gonna give it to them because it is the right thing to do?

Come on ftb.. you are much smarter than this.

It won't be a problem for you over at SWA... oh.. wait a minute..


Look here (About 3/4ths of the way down...). It is beginning.

You claimed we would give up more seats this last go-round. The company wanted 86 seats and was shut down. Is there nothing positive in your world?

1305EDT - All As are out by the front door. Better to be a front door man!

Considering the bid packet (for the NYC 7"ER")... it may be best to get them no sooner than the deadline.

Of course they are "allowed" to expand wherever and whenever they want, as much as they want. Good for them. But it very much becomes our say when that expansion is done with DL code. As for the 8.6 pax stat, I'm sure that includes every single AS and Horizon city pair, including some of the really obscure ones, which they have a lot of. JB can fill a 320, 2 in the summer, SEA to BOS, but DL can't, but dumps pax in AS instead? Several airlines can take part in thousands and thousands of seats a day SEA-LA but DL can't do a single flight and dumps people onto AS?

I'd be more than happy with the code share if we just limited it to 8.6 pax per flight. Heck, let's round it up to 9. There are some flights that are getting 35-50% DL pax and some of those markets are large ultra high density markets with good frequency and DL management is using AS as a DCI style crutch so it doesn't have to spend money running an airline and can instead build its virtual travel agency brand. That should be unacceptable to this pilot group.

Ain't but one way out baby, Lord I just can't go out that front door!

I'm foolish to be here, in the first place.

I know some man gonna walk in and take my place.

Ain't no way in the world, I'm goin' out that front door,

'cause there's a man down there, might be your man, I don't know.:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5afM3N97Y0