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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1290102)

OK. I understand now.

The woman who brought down Petraeus:

http://0.static.wix.com/media/466dc1...6233fd.jpg_512

To be extremely cruel, someone should post a pic of his wife next to that.

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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1289660)

BB is far too outspoken and does not drink from the ALPA Widget-Aid cooler in ATL. There was a very cordial campaign going on and all of a sudden, like someone flipped a switch (or edited his letters) SR starts mud slinging and sliming BB with some pretty disingenuous, artfully spun dirt.

Very, very out of character for him.

This is getting comical. I thought the last C20 election was bad, but this one is ridiculous. SR gets endorsed by KW, MM and MM, and BB gets the dpa vote? Which one is the long term ALPA guy? I think the C20 pilots are waking up to all the losses caused by the entrenched DTW guys and BB in particular. What have I got to show for their efforts. Targeting, a worse contract than I could have had during the merger, age 65 and a beat down on seniority all are on BB. I liked SR’s letters and saw nothing personal in them. I can’t say the same about those endorsing BB.

They've both said we've gotten our last letter. That will save the spam filter.

So ....

it appears the American pilots took their 1113 imposed contract and stuffed it right up management's ***. They got a deal that is far superior to what management imposed in the 1113 process and even better than what was on the table prior to 1113.

I would like to hear alfaromeo explain again why that can never happen.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1290102)

OK. I understand now.

The woman who brought down Petraeus:

http://0.static.wix.com/media/466dc1...6233fd.jpg_512

Also married with 2 kids (for anyone who thinks it's amusing).

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1290127)

Have you read the deal? You can hardly find a sliver of difference between the two. What are the huge improvements?

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1290136)

Have you read the deal? You can hardly find a sliver of difference between the two. What are the huge improvements?

And what will this do to the UCAL TA? Is it better than what United has who is actually fiscally sound and not in bankruptcy?

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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1290117)

If BB had the powers of persuasion attributed to him above everyone should vote for him because he'd be able to change the MEC overnight, unlike the 15 yrs it took the R/G show.

You can also pull up your AE preferences and there is a line called most future category. Shouldn't your assignment be placed there? When I was displaced from Atlm88b that's where the NYC 7erb showed up before the lists were published.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1290136)

Have you read the deal? You can hardly find a sliver of difference between the two. What are the huge improvements?

I have not read their TA. Its only a couple hours old. My info is 2nd hand.

My point is that an 1113 rejection is not only survivable but may actually have worked in the pilot's favor.
You and DALPA have been saying for years that it was the end of the world. WRONG.

My point is that there are some times in life when you need to stand your ground. You and the rest of the Moak disciples have to realize that your new approach to labor relations may not be the universal truth for all situations.

DALPA has managed to sleep with the lions without being eaten for awhile now, but the APA is dealing with a different set of lions.

Aren't you willing to admit you might have been just a tiny bit wrong?

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1245105)

Emotional decisions based on a hatred of your management team ain't the way. Keep your contract, no matter how bad you think it is. Delta exited bankruptcy in April 2007 and now we are on our second post-bk contract. Keep your contract, keep your job, work to rebuild in the near future. Don't **** away your future just to give the finger to management.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1239266)

My question to you is what will you gain from your chance at your new better contract and will it be worth more than 13.5 percent of your company. You pretend like you have nothing to lose but history and the law are not on your side.

These are not fear tactics, this is the cold hard reality of bankruptcy. Why would your union try to deceive you? What do they have to gain from it?

As I said in a previous post, I am sure that your union hired experienced bankruptcy attorneys. Listen to them and not some internet blowhard that is living in some fantasy dream that bankrtupcy will bend to their mighty blowhardiness. You will get run over like you read about, and crawling back from that will be painful and costly.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1290136)

What are the huge improvements?

Huge improvements = 4% per year and ALV + 15, plus RJs still capped at 76 seats?

+717!

(I don't know what any of that means but I remember reading it somewhere... :D)