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So ....

it appears the American pilots took their 1113 imposed contract and stuffed it right up management's ***. They got a deal that is far superior to what management imposed in the 1113 process and even better than what was on the table prior to 1113.

I would like to hear alfaromeo explain again why that can never happen.

Check;

You know I am right there with you, but in this case I think it is different.

I think what is going to happen is that Mgt grants this contract to emerge from bankruptcy - stand alone...This locks in Mgt's bonuses.

After emerging, AA and US/AW merge - oof. Horton turns over the reigns to Parker who then bait and switches the AA pilots.

This contract is all about Horton getting his bonus and not about a big win for APA. My short and not so humble opinion.

Boomer

11-09-2012 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1290248)

but few are this spectacular:

What most people don't realize is that the F111's air-to-air kill ratio is 34 to 5 (most with the Israeli and Congo Air Forces), making it the highest-scoring Douglas fighter of all time.

The Douglas F-86 Sabre is runner-up with a 17 to 15 ratio:

(Shown here with a F-4 Phantom)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6201/...6f547a6d5c.jpg

Note that this is the Navy version, known as the F-3D-5CY-4h Sabreliner II. It carried a crew of nine, including a tailhook operator.

Roadkill

11-09-2012 10:01 PM

dang... first with the awesome public math, now with the little-known good factoid... are you that guy from Millionaire?

Boomer

11-09-2012 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1290248)

Most airline pilots have experienced a few "dump and burns" here and there (particularly after international flying), but few are this spectacular:

Also, remember that Saddam Hussein ordered hundreds of Iraqi F-111s buried in the Al-Hajarah desert at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images...ar-ipswich.jpg

The left-wing media still insist that Hussein had no WMDs or F-111s. I'll let you be the judge of that.

Boomer

11-09-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1290259)

are you that guy from Millionaire?

Nah, I'm just really knowledgable about American jets.

My favorite is the F-15 (this one's from the Texas ANG):
http://www.enemyforces.net/aircraft/mig25.jpg

sailingfun

11-10-2012 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1290196)

Debating with you is fun. To continue the religious metaphor -- You're like some ALPA "fundamentalist". Any data or events that don't align with the Holy Moakist catechism must be heresy or the work of the devil.

1st- If your advice was to go back and get "a bankruptcy contract", why do they expect the membership to ratify the same agreement they just voted down?

2nd- How is there a TA at all? I thought their contract was rejected in 1113. You told us that was Armageddon for any labor union. Game over.

If what was emailed to me is correct they may well vote it down. If it passes it will be to get the claim money which would be lost on exit from ch11.

80ktsClamp

11-10-2012 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1290262)

Nah, I'm just really knowledgable about American jets.

My favorite is the F-15 (this one's from the Texas ANG):
http://www.enemyforces.net/aircraft/mig25.jpg

He must be on one of those Red Star exercises where they go and play near Area 52 (with all the aliens and Will Smith) like I saw the IMAX film on a few years back.

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