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filejw 04-13-2013 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1390179)
Yes, it's about perspective, I believe I posted on perspective a month or so ago that shed the harsh reality of Roadkills and my future.

However Denny, since you are an ER A, I would argue that you have very little experience living Roadkills reality, I don't know how long it took you to make captain but Roadkill and me have been with the company for 13 years and we are still in the bottom 15% of the seniority list. We can not hold a weekend off and have a line on a narrow body. We have another decade to even reach 50% on the seniority list. That is our reality.

So our perspective is much closer to our reality than you give us credit for. Once again we are not looking for sympathy, it our reality and not yours but don't try to sugarcoat his realistic and accurate observations of our situation.

It still amazes nearly every captain I fly with that I have been with the company 13 years and am still still in the bottom 15% of the seniority list. Generally this statement comes after they have pointed out that they were disappointed it took them 11 years to make captain. Roadkill would just like to have a weekend off as a narrow body FO after 13 years. I don't think that is an unreasonable wish. Unfortunately it is an unrealistic wish for about another half decade or so.

At any rate I'm sure your career has been worse than ours. So feel free to point out how fortunate Roadkill is. And yes we realize there are United guys furloughed still from 1999, we are lucky to have a job, and all of that crap.

Wow, I really vented on that one.

Not really venting but a good description of the risks we take signing up as an airline pilot. Once you are here you have zero input on how far or fast you will advance.Totally at the will of your company and it management. RA has the goal of getting the largest return on investment for stock holders and that doesn't alway mean a growth in flying ...

scambo1 04-13-2013 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1390179)
Wow, I really vented on that one.

IMO, to the wrong guy. Talk to a DAL '91 hire for their perspective.

daldude 04-13-2013 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by filejw (Post 1390185)
Not really venting but a good description of the risks we take signing up as an airline pilot. Once you are here you have zero input on how far or fast you will advance.Totally at the will of your company and it management. RA has the goal of getting the largest return on investment for stock holders and that doesn't alway mean a growth in flying ...

I certainly would not deny that, this career has been an education.

daldude 04-13-2013 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1390187)
IMO, to the wrong guy. Talk to a DAL '91 hire for their perspective.


I was afraid of that because I actually don't know Denny's situation, so if I offended anyone that was not my intent.

And truthfully I am drawing a blank on the 91 hire's perspective at this moment. Could you remind me of their perspective.

Thanks

scambo1 04-13-2013 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1390197)
I was afraid of that because I actually don't know Denny's situation, so if I offended anyone that was not my intent.

And truthfully I am drawing a blank on the 91 hire's perspective at this moment. Could you remind me of there perspective.

Thanks

They aren't at 50 percent yet. 22 years seniority. 500 guys furloughed 3 years.

I don't think you upset anyone. I am just making the comparison that your situation isn't unique. I understand that is not consolation.

For myself, I try to divorce myself from "expectations" and just live within my means and enjoy my trips. Big picture, life is good.

iceman49 04-13-2013 07:54 AM

Daldude, curious as to your age when you got hired? Thx

daldude 04-13-2013 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1390206)
Daldude, curious as to your age when you got hired? Thx

I was 34 years old.

daldude 04-13-2013 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1390204)
They aren't at 50 percent yet. 22 years seniority. 500 guys furloughed 3 years.

I don't think you upset anyone. I am just making the comparison that your situation isn't unique. I understand that is not consolation.

For myself, I try to divorce myself from "expectations" and just live within my means and enjoy my trips. Big picture, life is good.

Definitely not unique no arguing from me on that one.

Just got off phone with 91 hire I recognized on seniority list. He put his situation compared to mine better than I could. Here is what he said:

Furloughed for 2 years 8 month vs 6 years 100% longer furlough.

Here is the biggest difference though according to him, he has been a wide body line holding fairly senior FO for 17 years of his 22 vs I will be a narrow body jr FO for 17 years prior to even cracking the top 20% of the seniority list. He then said you will be essentially a new hire for 60% of your career.

It was actually a depressing conversation. I had not thought of it in those terms.

So I guess the 91s are the same as my generation but he seemed to think he had it better. Who knows.

But don't worry I don't pine away for advancement I live within my means and enjoy life.

gloopy 04-13-2013 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1390097)
They are completely out of A320 pilots...and it's the lull before summer flying.

It looks like someone painted us into a corner trying to cost unit bonus monger and it appears they will take it out of planned block hours, if necessary, instead of hire at this point regardless of what happens this year.

fisherpilot 04-13-2013 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1390225)
It looks like someone painted us into a corner trying to cost unit bonus monger and it appears they will take it out of planned block hours, if necessary, instead of hire at this point regardless of what happens this year.


So I'm on the outside wanting to get in. I, like many others, want to get hired when the hiring resumes. I do understand that the Summer schedule is when the staffing is at it's thinnest. If there are instances now where they are running out of pilots to cover trips what do they do when the flying picks up in the summer?? Try doing more GS? Pull IP's out of the school house, management guys out of the office, cancel trips? I can't understand not wanting to add pilots unless there is a bigger picture they are not saying (more shrinking). I'm not the brightest, but when you bring on a new hire they are essentially the cheapest (hourly) rate that you can cover flying with, right? I would think that would bring the overall hourly cost (average per pilot) down. Am I wrong? Correct me if so. I would think the cost of cancelling flights would far out weigh the cost of bringing on more warm bodies to the front of DAL aircraft.

thanks in advance for shedding the light on this for me


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