Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-06-2013 | 07:44 AM
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Our total compensation went up over $1 billion over 3.5 years. Just to compare that increase alone is probably worth about 15 years of the entire Compass contract, so if you are talking about selling out cheap, then look in the mirror. Surely if tough guys like you would all quit en masse then the RJ problem would dissolve immediately. So when are you sending your resignation letter in? Or are you going to continue to sell out the profession?
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That is an interesting statement considering it was Alpa (NW) that allowed compass to exist in the first place.
Should the crafters of that deal, and the individuals that voted yes all resign for "selling out the profession" as you say?
07-06-2013 | 07:45 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Delta Air Lines to Place Widebody Order in July
In flight entertainment options to include peg board games from Cracker Barrel and personal BetaMax players. Jet will make use of the tons of recently overhauled DC-10 spares acquired from Northwest Airlines. Has the MD88's cool heading knob and uses Douglas system illogic.
But hey ... notice the winglets? Same as Boeing, Airbus and Aviation Partners claimed to discover just last year!
Also, if anyone wants a stroll down memory lane when Delta said they would grow 5 to 7%, yearly .... http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/De...cba58db7690b03
In flight entertainment options to include peg board games from Cracker Barrel and personal BetaMax players. Jet will make use of the tons of recently overhauled DC-10 spares acquired from Northwest Airlines. Has the MD88's cool heading knob and uses Douglas system illogic.
But hey ... notice the winglets? Same as Boeing, Airbus and Aviation Partners claimed to discover just last year!
Also, if anyone wants a stroll down memory lane when Delta said they would grow 5 to 7%, yearly .... http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/De...cba58db7690b03
07-06-2013 | 07:45 AM
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We are very happy to keep the more than 200 50-seaters we so wanted to get rid a month ago. We love the 50-seaters despite the fact our customers don't prefer them and they're 'significantly' costly. We will happily operate them for decades to come.
I loved this argument that ALPA (Tim O) made with regards to this at the msp roadshow. I specifically asked him how much management was going to save without having to replace engines on those 200 RJ's. Tim's answer was 250 million. I followed up with, how did you come to that figure, his response was that they were told by management and alpa's financial experts. A fact that would have been so simple to verify if they would have just asked GE or any operator of CRJ's.
I guess it would have been too difficult to reason that 200 airframes--400 engines would cost 625,000 per engine. Hum, that doesn't sound right, perhaps we should look into that a little further. I promise you that a GE cf34b engine cost at least 3 times that amount. Easily verified but we took managements numbers. Anybody with any common sense could've thrown the BS flag at that. Makes you wonder what else the crack team of ALPA financial research experts took as fact? Certainly, not someone I would want to negotiate on my behalf.
I loved this argument that ALPA (Tim O) made with regards to this at the msp roadshow. I specifically asked him how much management was going to save without having to replace engines on those 200 RJ's. Tim's answer was 250 million. I followed up with, how did you come to that figure, his response was that they were told by management and alpa's financial experts. A fact that would have been so simple to verify if they would have just asked GE or any operator of CRJ's.
I guess it would have been too difficult to reason that 200 airframes--400 engines would cost 625,000 per engine. Hum, that doesn't sound right, perhaps we should look into that a little further. I promise you that a GE cf34b engine cost at least 3 times that amount. Easily verified but we took managements numbers. Anybody with any common sense could've thrown the BS flag at that. Makes you wonder what else the crack team of ALPA financial research experts took as fact? Certainly, not someone I would want to negotiate on my behalf.
07-06-2013 | 07:48 AM
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Delta Air Lines to Place Widebody Order in July
In flight entertainment options to include peg board games from Cracker Barrel and personal BetaMax players. Jet will make use of the tons of recently overhauled DC-10 spares acquired from Northwest Airlines. Has the MD88's cool heading knob and uses Douglas system illogic.
In flight entertainment options to include peg board games from Cracker Barrel and personal BetaMax players. Jet will make use of the tons of recently overhauled DC-10 spares acquired from Northwest Airlines. Has the MD88's cool heading knob and uses Douglas system illogic.
07-06-2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally I think 40 or so A320's were slated to retire in the coming years. The 737-900ER order wasn't just about 757's. Now all the sudden no one is talking about the 320's other than etherial rumors of life extension programs that may or may not materialize. In any case, the entire 737 order book could easily be pure replacement and even net shrinkage if we retire even a few older 88's. Yeah I know, glass and all that right? But until every last one of them gets it, they could easily retire a dozen or three that never make it to the magic glass factory to begin with.
The 717 does appear to be more growth than shrinkage at the mainline, even though the total network continues to shrink. How long can we keep shrinking, and what is our plan as we become more expensive as we shrink and the fantasy growth airlines (foreign and domestic) keep barfing countless hundreds of capacity aircraft into the system, while the only trick in our bag is to shrink to squeeze yields and quarter over quarter/YoY margins?
The 717 does appear to be more growth than shrinkage at the mainline, even though the total network continues to shrink. How long can we keep shrinking, and what is our plan as we become more expensive as we shrink and the fantasy growth airlines (foreign and domestic) keep barfing countless hundreds of capacity aircraft into the system, while the only trick in our bag is to shrink to squeeze yields and quarter over quarter/YoY margins?
07-06-2013 | 07:50 AM
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Except where it counted most... strobe lights. You guys are all welcome that we don't sit there when we line up and wait and blind you at night.
And having two speed windows.
And our FD doesn't turn off when one of the RAs is OTS.
07-06-2013 | 08:03 AM
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So you have reps whose beliefs run completely counter to history (and common sense if you ask me) and yet you don't complain about their "sales job". You think a sales job is anything that doesn't match your thoughts. You think "straight facts" are anything that does match your thoughts. So spare me the sanctimony. Again, we seem to live in bizarro world where failure becomes the road map to success and success is ignored.
Constructive engagement has led this industry out of the depths of the bankruptcy era doldrums. Every pilot group that tried your tactics has failed and failed and failed some more. Only one pilot group was moving forward and digging out of the hole we were in and that was Delta using constructive engagement. We signed two straight industry leading contracts within 4 years of each other. The rest of the industry: zero. We averaged a 41% lead on the competition when our last deal was signed. 41%. Explain that sales job.
The rest of the industry is just trying to catch up now. So if you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality while you satisfy your anger then I say you are just immature. There has rarely been such a stark contrast between the failure of your methods and the success of constructive engagement. So you can snark away all you want with your childish insults. Someone else with more maturity will keep digging you out of that hole and like a dead weight you can latch on for the ride.
Constructive engagement has led this industry out of the depths of the bankruptcy era doldrums. Every pilot group that tried your tactics has failed and failed and failed some more. Only one pilot group was moving forward and digging out of the hole we were in and that was Delta using constructive engagement. We signed two straight industry leading contracts within 4 years of each other. The rest of the industry: zero. We averaged a 41% lead on the competition when our last deal was signed. 41%. Explain that sales job.
The rest of the industry is just trying to catch up now. So if you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality while you satisfy your anger then I say you are just immature. There has rarely been such a stark contrast between the failure of your methods and the success of constructive engagement. So you can snark away all you want with your childish insults. Someone else with more maturity will keep digging you out of that hole and like a dead weight you can latch on for the ride.
Gracious that horse is high.
07-06-2013 | 08:03 AM
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How do you figure? Our language was NOT loosened; it was tightened up. Here's the old language:
1 F. 2
The Company may require that a pilot verify his sickness by providing, at the Company’s option, either:
And here's the new: Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:
When individual circumstances exist that give the Company a good faith basis to inquire regarding the medical reason for a pilot’s use of sick leave, such pilot may be required to state the nature of his illness in general terms to his Chief Pilot. Following such discussion, the Chief Pilot may:
This has already been covered multiple places, but HIPAA absolutely DOES permit an employer to request some proof of your illness. Think about it -- the alternative is an employee just comes to work whenever he feels like it. HIPAA laws are primarily designed to protect you from having a doctor share your information without your permission to a 3rd party.
How do you figure? Our language was NOT loosened; it was tightened up. Here's the old language:
1 F. 2
The Company may require that a pilot verify his sickness by providing, at the Company’s option, either:
- a doctor’s certificate, or
- other proof of illness.
And here's the new: Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:
- a pilot has used more than 100 hours of unverified sick leave in a sick leave year, or
- a pilot has been absent on a single sick occurrence for 15 or more consecutive days.
When individual circumstances exist that give the Company a good faith basis to inquire regarding the medical reason for a pilot’s use of sick leave, such pilot may be required to state the nature of his illness in general terms to his Chief Pilot. Following such discussion, the Chief Pilot may:
- consider the current sick leave occurrence to be verified, or
- require verification of sickness from the pilot under Section 14 F. 2.
This has already been covered multiple places, but HIPAA absolutely DOES permit an employer to request some proof of your illness. Think about it -- the alternative is an employee just comes to work whenever he feels like it. HIPAA laws are primarily designed to protect you from having a doctor share your information without your permission to a 3rd party.
Any sick call that:
*touches a holiday...any holiday (there's almost one every month, more if you include Superbowl, KY derby, Daytona 500, World Series, NBA/NHL finals, heck even soccer, athough I suppose we'd win that grievance since its not a real sport but you never know)
*touches a regular day off that touches a holiday (or any other "special days" someone could think of)
*touches vacation or a long period of regular days off (extending one's vacation?)
*touches a period many days on interrupted by only a few or one days off (sickation?)
*touches a weekend (?)
*occurs in the summer (?)
*the sick caller "sounded suspiscious" when calling in sick to scheduling? (hey, if not, why not? after all its not up to us its up to an arbitrator)
*occurs just prior to, or just after, a training footprint
*occurs during bad weather
*occurs in conjunction with flight cancellations which could imply a commuting issue
*occurs over previous attempts to drop/trade/bid days off
*anything else that anyone could simply say was "suspiscious"
And bonus: no HIPAA privacy rights.
Now take that list above and try and sandwich a sick anywhere on your schedule that doesn't bump up against one of those.
So saying you get 100 hours of unverified sick time, but turning around and saying the company can make you verify it at their sole discretion anytime they want for anything they want as long as they say they want to, well, come on. Just come on.
07-06-2013 | 08:06 AM
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You probably weren't here then but we used to have a program where the FAs would ride in the cockpit jump seat. I always felt a little guilty moving the wing isolation valve levers when we had a cute one up there.
07-06-2013 | 08:09 AM
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