Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1520561)

The last two negotiations were not negotiations, by your above definition. We caved. Twice. We did recoup some of the lost wages in C2012, but in comparison to what we gave up in bankruptcy, I see little reason to gloat. We were mugged in the courtroom, and in C2012, we got crumbs, which 1/3 of the pilot group recognized for what it was.....a sellout. Our future contracts, for that matter all our contracts, should pass memrat in the high 80 percentile. Or, may I suggest that we change the moniker on the alpa pin from 'Unity' to simply 'whatever the majority wants'.

Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1520561)

The last two negotiations were not negotiations, by your above definition. We caved. Twice. We did recoup some of the lost wages in C2012, but in comparison to what we gave up in bankruptcy, I see little reason to gloat. We were mugged in the courtroom, and in C2012, we got crumbs, which 1/3 of the pilot group recognized for what it was.....a sellout. Our future contracts, for that matter all our contracts, should pass memrat in the high 80 percentile. Or, may I suggest that we change the moniker on the alpa pin from 'Unity' to simply 'whatever the majority wants'.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1520572)

So let me get this straight, you think that the minority should rule vs the majority? That will certainly lead to "Unity." ;)

Denny

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1520664)

Denny, that's not what he said and that's not what you bolded. He said our contracts should pass by high 80 percentiles.

Instead, DALPA/management seem to target 50%+1, then DALPA gets an additional 10% by claiming there's no plan B, or our negotiators will resign, or you don't want to know how bad management's plan B will be if you vote this down, etc, etc.

Carl

Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1520682)

Ideally, we would negotiate a TA which delighted 100% of the pilots, but tell management it was ratified by a margin of only one vote.
Then everybody's happy. ;)

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1520680)

Is that what you and your boy are waiting for before you call the vote? 80%? or will 50%+1 be satisfactory in only that case? Hypocrite.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1520692)

I'd be happy if our starting position was to ASK for a deal that delighted 100% of the pilots.

To me, it's unbelievable that we can't even agree if we should do that.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1520692)

I'd be happy if our starting position was to ASK for a deal that delighted 100% of the pilots.

To me, it's unbelievable that we can't even agree if we should do that.