Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1630742)

Junglebus..you're gonna have a lot of very long 4-days in the right seat of a 88 if you insist on pressing this position.

I guess you just don't get it. And unless you get furloughed from DL and replaced by a 9E guys wearing your uniform, flying planes painted in your colors carrying your pax who bought a ticket on your airline to mainline destnations that you used to fly to...you never will.

As far as I'm concerned, DL should never have bailed 9E out of BK. They could have merged with any other rat-jet operator to undercut the next group, or just liquidated. Then those big, shiny new RJ's could just come on over to mainline where they belonged in the first place.

And before you jump all over me with the " how can advocate all those poor rj pilots and their families being kicked to the street"..remember that's exactly what happened to 1310 DL mainline families..many who stayed out longer cause there were plenty of rj pilots more than willing to replace them and pretend to be something they weren't.

Now, you want us to just accept that 9E guys really are DL pilots just because at the end of mgmt's shell game they happened to come up with a paycheck that says DL on it?! GMAB

Once again...all the 9E pilots can take the 6000 hrs of TPIC to any legacy they want. They've got better quals and are in a better position to get hired than any of us were back in the hiring boom of 99. Hopefully they saved some cash while they made a 100k as rj captain non-reving to Paris on mainline. They've got it pretty good.

Just don't come complaining about how you had to actually go thru an interview to actually become a DL pilot. Yes, I know CZ and Mesaba flows get jobs without having a college degree or interview. They got the golden ticket. Lifes a b!tch,do your best with the cards you're dealt.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1630855)

While I disagree with Mesabah and JB's sentiment that we are equals, you got furloughed and your flying was allowed to be replaced by other pilots due to lack of mainline scope. That and that alone was the reason. The blood is on our hands for your furlough, not theirs. It's long past time for you come to terms with that fact.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1630811)

Yes


and

No

Our purpose at 9E is to leech off Delta's resources to become as cheap as possible to whipsaw other carriers. ASA, Skywest, etc, have to match our costs, or their ASA is up for termination with Delta.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1630835)

....but at the end of the day take home large bonuses earned off the back of these same contract carriers. So what will it be?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1630855)

While I disagree with Mesabah and JB's sentiment that we are equals, you got furloughed and your flying was allowed to be replaced by other pilots due to lack of mainline scope. That and that alone was the reason. The blood is on our hands for your furlough, not theirs. It's long past time for you come to terms with that fact.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1630865)

Are you coming to Delta as part of the flow through agreement?

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1630742)

Junglebus..you're gonna have a lot of very long 4-days in the right seat of a 88 if you insist on pressing this position.

I guess you just don't get it. And unless you get furloughed from DL and replaced by a 9E guys wearing your uniform, flying planes painted in your colors carrying your pax who bought a ticket on your airline to mainline destnations that you used to fly to...you never will.

As far as I'm concerned, DL should never have bailed 9E out of BK. They could have merged with any other rat-jet operator to undercut the next group, or just liquidated. Then those big, shiny new RJ's could just come on over to mainline where they belonged in the first place.

And before you jump all over me with the " how can advocate all those poor rj pilots and their families being kicked to the street"..remember that's exactly what happened to 1310 DL mainline families..many who stayed out longer cause there were plenty of rj pilots more than willing to replace them and pretend to be something they weren't.

Now, you want us to just accept that 9E guys really are DL pilots just because at the end of mgmt's shell game they happened to come up with a paycheck that says DL on it?! GMAB

Once again...all the 9E pilots can take the 6000 hrs of TPIC to any legacy they want. They've got better quals and are in a better position to get hired than any of us were back in the hiring boom of 99. Hopefully they saved some cash while they made a 100k as rj captain non-reving to Paris on mainline. They've got it pretty good.

Just don't come complaining about how you had to actually go thru an interview to actually become a DL pilot. Yes, I know CZ and Mesaba flows get jobs without having a college degree or interview. They got the golden ticket. Lifes a b!tch,do your best with the cards you're dealt.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1630885)

CG, I understand what happened to you, but keep in mind we are not Comair. The NWAirlink carriers had jobs waiting for the furloughs if they wanted them, in fact, my IOE was done by a NWA mainline furlough. However, most NWA mainline furloughs, when they saw how the regionals were run, walked out of class.

If, God forbid, you get furloughed again, you will have the option to come over to Endeavor, without giving up your number.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1630743)

Shiz,

My friend, you are falling for the Corporation's alter ego shell game. As labor we should want to unify Delta flying. Delta flying is yours and my flying which we permit to be done elsewhere. We should not permit the Company to run an airline within Delta, which is what Endeavor is.

It is clear that we should want to end this arrangement. It is clear that these people are in the service of the same employer that we are.

Management will resist anything that increases their costs; whether it be pilot standards, pay, or training. ALPA was founded on principle that we should have one standard of safety, we should protect pilots' seniority and longevity.

It is not jet the express pilots who should want to come to our standard, we should want them on the same standard also.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1630830)

Thanks for the backup sink!



To clarify.... I never said I make less now. If I did, or if that was your perception, allow me to correct it now:

I did make more in 2013 than in 2012.

My point was that, especially when on reserve, I work more for the extra money, and I MUST work more. Manning is tighter due to C12 concessions, making it harder (impossible during summer and most weekends) to drop trips and reserve days (my heavily utilized method of improving QOL). For me, the extra days of work are not worth the marginally higher pay. Not by a damn sight.

What the DALPA regulars here refuse to acknowledge in my criticism of their C12 defensive perimeter is that my QOL and amount of time with my family has diminished. I'm not the only one. And QOL/time with the fam is far more important to me than a few extra bucks.