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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1630738)
That's different. Every woman I've ever met, come to think of it, every PERSON, I've ever met at a party mostly likes to talk about themselves.
Unless you run a shoe store ... . What I don't get is my wife gets ticked if I go to a strip club. I try to explain that she likes looking at shoes too ... and that's all they're wearing there. |
Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1630617)
With some persuasion from 9E-ALPA, assistance from ALPA National, and silence from DALPA about the violation of the admin handbook, as you've pointed out in the past.
..... But when they point out that ALPA & DAL had a hand in it, they're not completely wrong. The pilots' most directly effected by the Admin Manual SNAFU were those at Expressjet, who were silent. Now they're in a bit of a mess. Compass also, but to a lesser extent. The Delta MEC had NO hand in the matter, probably by design. They read about it in the papers like you and I. However, the rubber meets the road at the pilots who voted for it. Now they kinda hope Delta, or the Delta MEC will save them from their own errors and omissions. |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1630698)
That's neat! What are you going to bid in this AE? You're no more a Delta pilot than a eagle or envoy is AA. You remind me of some of the eagle pilots that would wear the AA logo tie vs the eagle logo so they would get treated better while commuting or deadheading. Do you also tell people at parties that you're a Delta pilot?
QUOTE=Mesabah;1630625]At this point, management has pierced the corporate veil with the bridge agreement, and DALPA doesn't care, so maximizing synergies between 9E and DAL is starting to accelerate. At some point this year we move to a common manual system with you guys, and next year we move into your benefits system. Thx for the support. |
I've noticed 85% of the people here at 9E just do what ALPA tells them to do.
I wish I still had the Lee Moak video about 9E, before it was deleted. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1630625)
At this point, management has pierced the corporate veil with the bridge agreement, and DALPA doesn't care, so maximizing synergies between 9E and DAL is starting to accelerate. At some point this year we move to a common manual system with you guys, and next year we move into your benefits system.
Delta's been down this road a couple of times now. First, we at ASA negotiated employment rights at ASA for Delta pilots. Second, ASA and Comair were acquired by Delta and stripped of every back office function it took to run an airline (thus they ran poorly when Delta had them). ASA again negotiated rights for Delta pilots on the ASA property. Then Comair got a binding contract with Delta management in 2005, which as you say, "pierced their veil." Comair lasted as long as that agreement. Then rinse wash and repeat with your carrier. The entire time there has been a revolving door of Delta managers running the show who kept their longevity as they bounced around the corporate structures. (we pilots are the only ones hung up on the distinction, which is dumb, because the distinction only exists to harm us) Clearly all these shennanigans were alter ego operations which would have formed the basis of a single carrier petition. What it took me a decade to discover (you can save yourself at least 5 years) by realizing that in this area of law, the National Mediation Board fails to do it's job. Even when ALPA does the right thing, as they did with GoJets, they have not won. I am not yet confident that management and ALPA have figured out the numbers to make management want to consolidate. I believe those numbers exist, but it is a huge political change to switch from facilitating outsourcing for gain to facilitating insourcing for gain. From your seat and mine we should be pleading with ALPA's strategic planners and number crunchers to build a working model for insourcing which would appeal to management. Consensus, with management on board, is more likely to work than any of the many legal strategies which have been tried (and which have failed) in the past. I keep hoping to run into Mr. Anderson again. If the opportunity presents itself, I'd really like to get his thoughts on the matter. |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1630698)
That's neat! What are you going to bid in this AE? You're no more a Delta pilot than a eagle or envoy is AA. You remind me of some of the eagle pilots that would wear the AA logo tie vs the eagle logo so they would get treated better while commuting or deadheading. Do you also tell people at parties that you're a Delta pilot?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1630713)
You are going to have to sell those redundant cost savings to management. Their costing data is going to be quite different then the forum. There is a reason why no major airline has tried to take advantage of these redundant cost savings.
I see no reason why any approval is required by DALPA. We don't decide who management merges with, trains or hires. Was referring to going to a scheme that would allow less than 1500 hr ATP's into the DAL family system right after we just fought for and got the 1500 hr/ATP legislation. Good luck getting that bill passed. Reference costs, I hope they are factoring in the loss of revenue should there be serious schedule completion issues as the result of DCI crew shortages.....they only fly 40% of our domestic flying. What would a 70% DCI completion factor do to our balance sheet? |
Thx for the support.[/QUOTE]
Farmlover, we support you every time you log another hr of TMEL flying jets paid for by DL, burning fuel paid for by DL, filled with pax holding a DL ticket, serving city pairs that used to be served by mainline pilots. |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1630773)
Sailing,
Was referring to going to a scheme that would allow less than 1500 hr ATP's into the DAL family system right after we just fought for and got the 1500 hr/ATP legislation. Good luck getting that bill passed. Reference costs, I hope they are factoring in the loss of revenue should there be serious schedule completion issues as the result of DCI crew shortages.....they only fly 40% of our domestic flying. What would a 70% DCI completion factor do to our balance sheet? |
Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1630621)
Okay, let's think about this.
His airplanes say Delta Air Lines on them. His passengers' tickets say Delta Air Lines on them. Most importantly, his paychecks say Delta Air Lines. He's an employee of Delta Air Lines, Inc. If he comes over to the Delta Air Lines certificate, HR will consider it a rehire. He's at DAL like it or not. If we don't want him on our seniority list or represented by our union or accruing longevity for his DAL service, that's on us and frankly pretty shortsighted & playing into management's hand. What's next, buying Alaska but not integrating their pilots & planes, sending 737s to whichever operator is cheaper? And then telling AS pilots they're not DAL and their input isn't relevant in this supposed DAL-pilots-only thread? Who would that benefit, exactly? Not us or them, right? So what precisely is the difference with 9E pilots? |
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