Scoop, Delta just formed the Air Carrier Training ARC. It's a workaround for the 1500 hour rule. You get an ATP that only allows you to fly at 9E/Delta.

That's neat! What are you going to bid in this AE? You're no more a Delta pilot than a eagle or envoy is AA. You remind me of some of the eagle pilots that would wear the AA logo tie vs the eagle logo so they would get treated better while commuting or deadheading. Do you also tell people at parties that you're a Delta pilot?

QUOTE=Mesabah;1630625]At this point, management has pierced the corporate veil with the bridge agreement, and DALPA doesn't care, so maximizing synergies between 9E and DAL is starting to accelerate. At some point this year we move to a common manual system with you guys, and next year we move into your benefits system.[/QUOTE]

That's great! You can stay at 9e and train our future new hires.

Shiz,

They are just floating the rational for their single list position if we ever put them on the list. Hopefully they don't "Comair" themselves should the opportunity present itself. I think the majority of their pilots have the bigger picture.

And it would require sign off by both National and DALPA. The real solution is to bring the CRJ900 and E175 to mainline. There would be no shortage of extremely well qualified applicants, operational integrity would be ensured, and redundant costs would be eliminated while every 9E pilot would get a $$ and career windfall even with a straight staple. They would probably go very junior as pilots bid into them and if your goal is to be an RJ Captain you could probably do so early on.

You are going to have to sell those redundant cost savings to management. Their costing data is going to be quite different then the forum. There is a reason why no major airline has tried to take advantage of these redundant cost savings.
I see no reason why any approval is required by DALPA. We don't decide who management merges with, trains or hires.

Yes, because I love hearing stories of how an airline ruined their life with a 20min delay.

In seriousness, no, women at parties are way more interested in my company, when I tell them I also fly, they change the subject right back to my company.

That's different. Every woman I've ever met, come to think of it, every PERSON, I've ever met at a party mostly likes to talk about themselves.

Unless you run a shoe store ... .

What I don't get is my wife gets ticked if I go to a strip club. I try to explain that she likes looking at shoes too ... and that's all they're wearing there.

Junglebus..you're gonna have a lot of very long 4-days in the right seat of a 88 if you insist on pressing this position.

I guess you just don't get it. And unless you get furloughed from DL and replaced by a 9E guys wearing your uniform, flying planes painted in your colors carrying your pax who bought a ticket on your airline to mainline destnations that you used to fly to...you never will.

As far as I'm concerned, DL should never have bailed 9E out of BK. They could have merged with any other rat-jet operator to undercut the next group, or just liquidated. Then those big, shiny new RJ's could just come on over to mainline where they belonged in the first place.

And before you jump all over me with the " how can advocate all those poor rj pilots and their families being kicked to the street"..remember that's exactly what happened to 1310 DL mainline families..many who stayed out longer cause there were plenty of rj pilots more than willing to replace them and pretend to be something they weren't.

Now, you want us to just accept that 9E guys really are DL pilots just because at the end of mgmt's shell game they happened to come up with a paycheck that says DL on it?! GMAB

Once again...all the 9E pilots can take the 6000 hrs of TPIC to any legacy they want. They've got better quals and are in a better position to get hired than any of us were back in the hiring boom of 99. Hopefully they saved some cash while they made a 100k as rj captain non-reving to Paris on mainline. They've got it pretty good.

Just don't come complaining about how you had to actually go thru an interview to actually become a DL pilot. Yes, I know CZ and Mesaba flows get jobs without having a college degree or interview. They got the golden ticket. Lifes a b!tch,do your best with the cards you're dealt.

Shiz,

My friend, you are falling for the Corporation's alter ego shell game. As labor we should want to unify Delta flying. Delta flying is yours and my flying which we permit to be done elsewhere. We should not permit the Company to run an airline within Delta, which is what Endeavor is.

It is clear that we should want to end this arrangement. It is clear that these people are in the service of the same employer that we are.

Management will resist anything that increases their costs; whether it be pilot standards, pay, or training. ALPA was founded on principle that we should have one standard of safety, we should protect pilots' seniority and longevity.

It is not jet the express pilots who should want to come to our standard, we should want them on the same standard also.