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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1639101)

OK... Almost everywhere.

Respectfully, I think you mis read me. Got anything objective, like a quote? Buzz, you too ...

Yeah, I get the idea that putting unity first steps on some people's sensibilities and their alliances. That is why I am careful to stick to objective data points, like:

ALPA should represent it's member's interests
ALPA has no duty to represent non members

Many pilots are rightfully proud of their military service. They were well trained, have good situational awareness for the operation and are terrific to fly with.

That has nothing to do with how a union represents it's members (or at least it should not). Lets explain the differences between Apples and Oranges (and I'm not particular to any brand of fruit, other than Delta's).

The logical dissonance is; some feel ALPA has a duty to non members who have not even been to flight school which is superior to the duty owed to dues paying members who have been working under (if not in the direct employ) of a branded mainline carrier for years.

The politics on this are going to change. The change is inevitable as the sheer numbers of ALPA members who vote in ALPA overwhelm those with alliances to non-member interest groups. I am politically agnostic. Politicians come and go. But, the trend is here.

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1638997)

...flow thrus...are the exception not the rule.

Agreed.......

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1639128)

Bar/Leine:

What I took exception to, which is really one of the very few things I ever disagree with Bar on, is that he seems to confer special status to DCI pilots, as Delta guys, except in name.

These guys haven't "already been working for Delta", in any sense of the term. They're part of an elaborate, ironclad structure that's specifically designed to make sure they are NOT working for Delta.

Ironclad? As if. Who's the latest to go run a DCI carrier? Barry Wilbur?

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Originally Posted by Minn Post 6/19/13

Delta Air Lines provided the financing to allow Pinnacle Airlines to emerge from bankruptcy on May 1, and Delta is supplying the executives to transform the carrier. ... Pinnacle's chief financial officer and chief operating officer both have extensive management experience with Delta.

Pinnacle's new chief administrative officer is Mike Becker, who had a long career at Eagan-based Northwest Airlines. Becker led human resources at Northwest and served as a Delta executive following the Delta-Northwest merger.

Charlie Tutt, the Chief Pilot you and I shared, had to approve folks like me getting hired. Others in my group transferred between divisions if they had a management classification (Risk Management, Mechanic, Safety, Chief Pilots). They can be found by finding new hires with longevity dates which do not match their hire dates.

Yeah, this scheme is not "iron clad" for anyone but we pilots (or anyone else that management chooses to take longevity from) It is a simple alter ego with as few parasitic redundancies as are necessary to operate the Certificates.

Lets just consider what alter ego characteristics we are dealing with:

Same management - check
Comingling of corporate funds - check, research Delta's exit financing
Centralized control of routes, codes and marketing - check
Single brand - check
Work transfers between the parent and alter ego - check
Employee transfers while retaining longevity - check
Performing Delta flying - check
Flying Delta's passengers - check

So clearly as a matter of common sense they are in Delta's service. That says nothing about how qualified, or unqualified they are.

As a pragmatic matter, we have negotiated the existence of these entities. I agree with you, they exist. Our disagreement is that they exist as anything other than a corporate shell game to screw labor.

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Originally Posted by BlaneO (Post 1639133)

At the interview, AK explained the rationale for no sim check is that it is biased toward people that have flown a similar (or the same) aircraft as the sim. He explained that Delta chose the Cog Testing to evaluate the multi-tasking/coordination skills that a pilot needs, on a more level playing field.

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or ...

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In order to ...

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Good call. ... certainly one is more similar.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1639001)

The whales will almost certainly be replaced by... wait for it... 777-300ERs. Which at the least would pay the same as the 747.

uh huh... sure. Let's bet the farm on that.

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Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1638699)

224 total hires through May 5.

100 of those are CPS flows.
45 are former XJ flows.
So 79 9E-SSP & off the street.

CPS flows will be done for the year in July. XJ flows completely done in Jul or Aug I believe. Remainder of year will be all off the street/SSP.

I would be interesting to know of the 224 new hires how many off the stree applications have they called? I wonder since they are calling the best of the best right now if they called just 100 guys to get the 79 guys off the street.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1639158)

uh huh... sure. Let's bet the farm on that.

I'm with T on this...I just listened to a bevy DAL leaders speak on different aspects of where DAL is going. One of the nuggets I took away was that the 777 doesn't seem to fit anywhere in DAL's future route network. Said another way, the "powers that be" like right sizing a/c to range and capabilities...the 777 doesn't seem to be doing anything another fleet or a/c type could be doing now....ie 330's.
JMHO

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1638951)

The part I underlined is not entirely true. The Compass guys interviewed at Compass, for a job at Compass, and then an eventual flow-through to NWA.

NWA actually hired ~190 of their own pilots in '07/'08, at the same time that the Compass pilots were interviewing and being hired by their own respective interview/HR team. (There was a retired NWA Captain on the hiring board of Compass interviews.)

Another tidbit of useless information. The Compass certificate is the old ACA/Independence Air certificate, used by NWA to start the Compass "brand" after Indy Air's demise of trying to be a LCC with 50-seat RJ's.

GJ

The certificate part is not entirely true either, the cert was used for the manuals but then was returned and they got a new one.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1638815)

Something sure seems to be in the works for Skywest/Expressjet. They have "non permitted" types on order for the non union side. Expressjet voted down their TA and has been in limbo since.

Our MEC keeps secrets better than management. I'd say watch order books and crew room Q&A closely.

I know the united MEC told me that management for united wants to take away the 50 seaters and replace them with the C series for Skywest.

Does anyone think that the flow ups were a management experiment to see whether or not they could feed main line when military applicants got skinny. Yes, no.