There is only one current negotiation ongoing and that is about changes for 117. As of Wednesday there was no agreement however they were rumored to be close. RA addressed the MEC in closed session Wednesday morning. Perhaps there might be a push to get it done.

My understanding is they have been working on FAR 117 LOA and Virgin LOA.

Vote No! That'll show 'em!

Oh wait, I'm a year ahead of schedule on that.

Sorry for getting it done early, I guess that means I "left more rhetoric on the table". Lesson learned: don't take the first bombastic offer you get.

Bar

The "other guy" got hired at a regional carrier where the minimums and requirements were both much lower then mainline. He did not interview at Delta Mainline. DCI is more like DGS then Delta mainline.

I appreciate that you feel you lost something by having to apply to get hired at Delta. Guess what though you knew the rules when you applied to the regionals much like the Navy guy new the rules when he applied to go into the Navy.

I do not support a flow thru without some conditions. I do support the SSP as they have to go through an interview process.

By the way your experience gives you the same opportunity to apply to the Navy as the Navy did when he went to be a pilot.

One of the most assured ways to bust the DL interview is to have this attitude if you're coming from DCI.

The simple point is, Delta flying should be performed by Delta pilots.

There should be no flows, SSP's or what not that facilitate outsourcing Delta pilot jobs. I don't care if we merge them, or remove permitted language, or both. Simply, success is measured by how close we get to the goal of "Delta pilots perform Delta flying."

I don't disagree that we should do all Delta flying but that's not the point you made. You basically said the Regional guy was more qualified because he flew Delta pax. I disagree with that point.

Bar,

Agree with your last post. Prior to that... seems like you were tripping up at the same point in your leap of logic, every time. Pilots performing permitted flying are performing it because of our mistakes, but that doesn't make them, in any way, shape, or form, Delta pilots.

It's preposterous to suggest that they have any more right to be Delta pilots, than any other applicant that wants to be a Delta pilot. An Eagle guy is no less qualified or deserving than a Skywest pilot.

You'd have much more success if you focused on closing sub-contracting loopholes, than conferring special rights to certain sub-contractors over others.

At the end of the day anyone who meets the minimums at Delta is qualified. I don't think anyone who gets hired is "more" qualified than any other guy who gets hired.

However, the CPZ guy who has been flying an E-175 for 6 years in the domestic U.S. airspace system I'm sure will have a much easier time flying the Expressway visual into LGA, in a 320, during IOE than the guy who came from the navy who has been flying off of a boat for 10 years. Not more qualified, just the nature of where they both came from.

Now the ALPA debate is a different story. Should our Union push to bring regional ALPA guys to mainline over non-alpa guys? In the long run that might be the best strategy. Decimate the staffing at the ALPA regionals causing mainline to realize they can only do that flying if they staff it with mainline pilots. Then you bring all the guys you want from wherever you want because we just created thousands of more mainline jobs.

Dorfman,

Really? Where did I write that?

My point was our union has a duty to it's members.