Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1638841)

Was reading an article in AW&S about 6 months ago about Skywest's large order for Mitsubishi RJ's along with more E175's. They asked the Mitsubishi program manager about how the new MRJ's exceeded the MGTOW for all of Skywest's scope provisions with DAL. The program manager let the cat out of the bag when he said they would "just have dual certifications that would meet any required scope limitations".

ALPA needs to be on the lookout for pencil whipping!

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1638849)

... and that is the way it is now.

But make no mistake, they perform Delta flying which we PERMIT to be outsourced in our Section 1. We define the operation and if you want to define it so that our "craft and class" must interview then you elect Reps who want that.

Meanwhile other groups of "craft and class," like managers, cross the arbitrary inter divisional shell game with no loss of longevity.

The price of preserving your distinction only costs one employee group, pilots.

It is in ALPA's best long term interest to rid this profession of alter ego replacement flying. Politically we are not there yet, but your world is changing, for the better.

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1638841)

Was reading an article in AW&S about 6 months ago about Skywest's large order for Mitsubishi RJ's along with more E175's. They asked the Mitsubishi program manager about how the new MRJ's exceeded the MGTOW for all of Skywest's scope provisions with DAL. The program manager let the cat out of the bag when he said they would "just have dual certifications that would meet any required scope limitations".

ALPA needs to be on the lookout for pencil whipping!

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1638866)

Yes.

This happens with the Republic fleet now (I ordered the aircraft records and spoke with their program manager). The GTF jets have a heavier BOW which squeezes their capacities under our Section 1.

I think Expressjet' s refusal to play along with the Pinnacle concessions makes it difficult for them (and Skywest) unless Anderson backs down.

Notice that Delta did not order half of what they were allowed to outsource in C 2012. I suspect (speculation alert) someone did the math and learned it makes more sense to operate these airplanes at their Certified limits rather than our scope limits ... In other words "Delta pilots."

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1638857)

Our high dollar battalion of lawyers left a little loophole.

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1638872)

Hope your "crystal ball" is accurate. Tie that to RA's comments regarding the GTF and C-series and we may see some of that outsourced flying come back to mainline. It would definitely make DL the preferred destination for new-hires compared to AA/UCAL.

I know I'd love to fly a C-series back up to FCA, JAC, HDN, BZN...!

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1638866)

Yes.

This happens with the Republic fleet now (I ordered the aircraft records and spoke with their program manager). The GTF jets have a heavier BOW which squeezes their capacities under our Section 1.

I think Expressjet' s refusal to play along with the Pinnacle concessions makes it difficult for them (and Skywest) unless Anderson backs down.

Notice that Delta did not order half of what they were allowed to outsource in C 2012. I suspect (speculation alert) someone did the math and learned it makes more sense to operate these airplanes at their Certified limits rather than our scope limits ... In other words "Delta pilots."

Originally Posted by duece12345 (Post 1638805)

I was hired this year. I 100% agree! I was just responding to his post clarifying that there are people leaving DAL for other airlines.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1638888)

That's fine.. The company can pay mainline rates for them too. non-negotiable imho.