You need to take another look at their rates. 2014 757/767 rate as a example is 195 an hour at AMR and 220 an hour at Delta. I don't call that a few bucks. They don't have a rate after 2016. They published numbers using a 16.5 percent raise as a result of the parity review. They arrived at 16.5 percent assuming we continue to get raises beyond our current contract.

Heaven forbid they do some heavy lifting raise the bar.

I am expectation managed. willing to be unmanaged.

Knoxville? On weekends? 30 hour layovers?

This month, I had 8 days vacation. I bid reserve on purpose. I had 13 days on call, and worked 9. ALV was 72 hours, I got paid 79.45. I have no idea what you think would be better than that, and who's Wheaties you must have whizzed in to have a month that caused you more hardship than that.

Another question for you though. Are you reserve? The number of days of being on call has not changed. so how could you be working more? Are you pizzed that the company has gotten more efficient with reserve assignments? Well boo hoo. It was great when reserves went really really senior, but then guys like you whine because they say that senior guys bidding reserve are getting paid more for doing nothing and meanwhile the junior lineholders are working their buttocks off.... You want cake and the ability to consume it as well....

You are ever so predictable, but keep it coming, it is truly fun.

Agreed... The UCAL pilots signing a 5 year deal six months AFTER us and AMR on a 7 year deal with only an increase to the UCAL/DAL average isn't really helping.

When DAL was already 20-40% ahead of all the legacies and we still got 19.7%+ in a 3 year deal means the Delta pilots will have to pattern off themselves AGAIN. Doesn't create nearly the leverage we want.

I do see RA using the AMR reset to lever up their costs and make the UCAL pilots even more disgruntled as they will still be stuck for two more years (plus time in Sect. 6). It isn't 10%/yr. I've spoken with some reps and they say no talks have occurred or offers made. I do think this next PWA will be weighted towards rates and light on other sections, mostly to drive up areas where AMR costs will also rise. I could be completely wrong, as my wife likes to point out on a regular basis.

Dear PD,

Whenever I see the term "talking points", it reminds me of the bad old days when a certain organization was (failing at) organizing the group, and their default argument when they couldn't come up with something coherent was to accuse others of orally gang-raping them.

The genesis of this thing is that you essentially opined that we're making less under C2012. Which is obviously wrong, and everyone on here is telling you so, not just the people you accuse of oralling you, but just about everyone else.

You are wrong on this. It's OK: I'm wrong much of the time, and many of us on APC suffer from the same affliction. The key is to concede your mistakes, and not get all stubborn and accusatory when you back yourself into a corner.

Big pay rate raises for the next contract will eat a huge amount of the effort. It will be scrutinized heavily by everyone. They love to put up our pay scales to everyone else on the big boards. Details are the key for a big check increase without more work. Like a "look forward" min day ....5:15? with 117 it will pay us on those 30 hr away from home layovers. Also when we have big days they won't get averaged away with a look back 4:30 like we have now. JMO

I have admitted I am wrong. I am now fully on board with any and all mediocre results in the future. The more the company is making, the more concessions I want to grant!

It feels much better to be comfortably numb. It's much easier this way. I urge everyone to just relax and let it happen. No need to fight for every penny, every second off, every QOL gain.
RA and the boys need the money more than we do. Just take what you're given, and like it!

i love my new life!

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