Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-24-2014 | 06:30 AM
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This is from the C1 update sent this morning.
The tentative agreement reached last week by the negotiators met the direction the MEC had provided to them over the course of multiple meetings, including a “mid-course adjustment” two months ago. During the 7-day review period required by the MEC Policy Manual, it became apparent that the modeling and assumptions regarding Split Duty Period (SDP) flying (aka “CDOs”, “Illegals”, “Stand-ups”) was not what we envisioned when we gave direction to the negotiating committee several months ago. Also, your feedback during the last week solidified our view that the addition of SDPs was not in the best interest of Delta pilots. It’s important to note that the 7-day review period was established to allow exactly this type of reassessment.
After a line-by-line dissection of the agreement on Wednesday, and following a vigorous discussion on Thursday, the MEC called an audible, and directed the negotiators to seek modifications that would eliminate SDPs. That effort was successful, and the new agreement was presented to us for approval.
The tentative agreement reached last week by the negotiators met the direction the MEC had provided to them over the course of multiple meetings, including a “mid-course adjustment” two months ago. During the 7-day review period required by the MEC Policy Manual, it became apparent that the modeling and assumptions regarding Split Duty Period (SDP) flying (aka “CDOs”, “Illegals”, “Stand-ups”) was not what we envisioned when we gave direction to the negotiating committee several months ago. Also, your feedback during the last week solidified our view that the addition of SDPs was not in the best interest of Delta pilots. It’s important to note that the 7-day review period was established to allow exactly this type of reassessment.
After a line-by-line dissection of the agreement on Wednesday, and following a vigorous discussion on Thursday, the MEC called an audible, and directed the negotiators to seek modifications that would eliminate SDPs. That effort was successful, and the new agreement was presented to us for approval.
My reps have got some splaining to do.
Carl
05-24-2014 | 06:34 AM
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Again, you went there. If you want to threaten my friends, then I will find the intersection where they meet you and come to their aid.
Just think about that before you lie about them, or me, again.
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05-24-2014 | 06:40 AM
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But let me try to understand. The negotiators go into negotiations, and turn down the first offer... I think that's safe to say, but from your perspective I am not so sure... But anyway, they haggle and finally come up with a deal. They then present it to the pilot group as a whole.. but because it is the first time WE have seen the deal, it is back to square one, ipso facto the first offer, and therefore worthy of nothing but a rubber stamp sending it back... is that about right? Why do we e en bother with negotiators? FOr that matter, we really don't need the memory rat. Let's call it the Spackler device that automatically rejects any TA until it is sent back to the table.
Carl
05-24-2014 | 06:44 AM
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Exactly what others are you talking about?
Again, what are you talking about.
Or what tough guy?
Carl
Or what tough guy?
Carl
05-24-2014 | 06:46 AM
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05-24-2014 | 06:48 AM
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05-24-2014 | 06:51 AM
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Stop hyperventilating tsquare. I've said it twice now and you've missed it twice. I'm not saying negotiators agree to the first offer. I'm talking about whether the line pilots accept the first offer. Guys like Starcheck just want you to rubber stamp whatever the union puts in front of you because he's too scared to ever say no. Hawaiian pilots showed how it was done in bankruptcy. Much to my delight, we just showed how it's done.
In this case, and in my opinion, the concept of SDPs with the associated lack of any kind of proper rest, coupled with a very real potential for IROPS to even worsen an already idiotic situation vis a vis reduced rest, I was a one issue voter for the only time in my career. If they ever come up again sans extreme protections, I will vote based on that single issue. 117 was supposed to increase safety and rest based on "science" Where is that science when it comes to these SDPs? Is it OK to overlook safety if the paycheck is big enough? I don't think so.
I appreciate that more than you know.
05-24-2014 | 06:53 AM
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Agree! This isn't north vs south as some are turning this into! For someone who is always preaching unity...jeez! This was a failure of the MEC and only undone by our reps through mass protest. I think split duty has been decided. We overwhelmingly don't want them! I think that just played out without doubt. No Education needed as Bar points out in a later post. BTW, the language that has opened the door was just negotiated. A small opening but language that should have stayed slammed shut.
05-24-2014 | 06:55 AM
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That won't fly for C15.
I think this TA process has shown very clearly that there is an upside to sending back a questionable product.
05-24-2014 | 06:55 AM
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Agree! This isn't north vs south as some are turning this into! For someone who is always preaching unity...jeez! This was a failure of the MEC and only undone by our reps through mass protest. I think split duty has been decided. We overwhelmingly don't want them! I think that just played out without doubt. No Education needed as Bar points out in a later post. BTW, the language that has opened the door was just negotiated. A small opening but language that should have stayed slammed shut.
How is my opinion that C20's resolution, back when it was made, isn't a bad idea and might even be a good idea, N/S?
KW for whatever reason made the N/S distinction before anyone else was even thinking that. I asked, why would he do that?
Who (from the N) is calling for the members of South Councils to recall their reps? Who is responding that cross council calls for recall are improper on on the fact that both substantive questions (direction and ratification) were unanimous?
What is it with you and Carl and the false accusations?
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