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AE is out. All new hire positions.
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1653978)
AE is out. All new hire positions.
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
(Post 1653599)
But here's the thing: I keep thinking about UAW, and how that union's relentless pursuit of inefficiencies in the name of jobs wreaked so much havoc on the industry with which it was supposed to have a symbiotic relationship. I don't think Uncle Sugar will protect us from Emirates or Norwegian or anyone else, so our airline needs to compete on this uneven playing field now and in the future. It needs to do that by running a superior operation from the perspectives both of our customers and our financiers. If we can help with that, and line our pockets in the process, we should consider it.
Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
(Post 1653951)
Back on the banding issue, I see Alan Shore's point. Another weakness in my argument stems from the fact that while we, as a group, have done a lot to improve the airline's efficiency and profitability, we have yet to recoup as much value as we'd like from the organization (Translation: where's my boat, my Cessna, and my condo on the slopes?!?). If we were to unlock all this value for the company, I'm not particularly confident that said value would accrue to us.
I appreciate your desire to make Delta a stronger company. I want us to kick butt, too. It's great to see the stock price go up and hear the announcements for all the awards we are winning. But, before we, as a pilot group, agree to anything to help the company I think we have to ask ourselves if it's absolutely necessary. With the next round of negotiations coming up, I think it's imperative for us to remember how much this gig has changed over the last 15 years, and how much we lost compared to the other employee groups. We are the only ones who had our careers transformed into jobs. IMO, through our terminated/frozen pensions, downgrades, furloughs, work rule changes, and degraded benefits, we have given more than our fair share. (Or, was it taken from us? :roll eyes: ) I think if Delta needs more -- which I don't think they do -- they should look elsewhere first. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1653985)
Frank,
I appreciate your desire to make Delta a stronger company. I want us to kick butt, too. It's great to see the stock price go up and hear the announcements for all the awards we are winning. But, before we, as a pilot group, agree to anything to help the company I think we have to ask ourselves if it's absolutely necessary. With the next round of negotiations coming up, I think it's imperative for us to remember how much this gig has changed over the last 15 years, and how much we lost compared to the other employee groups. We are the only ones who had our careers transformed into jobs. IMO, through our terminated/frozen pensions, downgrades, furloughs, work rule changes, and degraded benefits, we have given more than our fair share. (Or, was it taken from us? :roll eyes: ) I think if Delta needs more -- which I don't think they do -- they should look elsewhere first. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1653982)
25 7ER FO positions??????????????? You newbies hit a lottery
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1652791)
If you look at Shelby's eyes when he is telling a story, it looks like he is recalling what he saw -- like he was there.
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1653978)
AE is out. All new hire positions.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1653769)
The first OT wore me out. Had to switch to The World Wars to calm down. :eek:
They live to play again. :D The Kings were the last team I wanted to see the Hawks play. I think whoever wins this series will take The Cup. Where are you based? |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1653985)
Frank,
I appreciate your desire to make Delta a stronger company. I want us to kick butt, too. It's great to see the stock price go up and hear the announcements for all the awards we are winning. But, before we, as a pilot group, agree to anything to help the company I think we have to ask ourselves if it's absolutely necessary. With the next round of negotiations coming up, I think it's imperative for us to remember how much this gig has changed over the last 15 years, and how much we lost compared to the other employee groups. We are the only ones who had our careers transformed into jobs. IMO, through our terminated/frozen pensions, downgrades, furloughs, work rule changes, and degraded benefits, we have given more than our fair share. (Or, was it taken from us? :roll eyes: ) I think if Delta needs more -- which I don't think they do -- they should look elsewhere first. You really need to go back and look at what happened to the other employee groups at Delta. Entire groups had their jobs eliminated and outsourced never to return. Thousands of other employees had their jobs reclassified to DGS or DSS or whatever the name is now at much lower pay and benefits. Staffing in jobs that remained Delta has been slashed. Delta's non pilot costs are well below their pilot costs relative to the industry. You really don't want to compare your pay and benefits to the non pilot employees if your seeking improvements! |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1653998)
Smiley plus one
It's worthy of reposting…
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1653893)
As for herk and the other new guys from the military, your arrival into the airline will require something of a sea change in your thought process. Your new way of thinking has to be non-managerial and realize you are a technician pilot, not a management trainee. In commercial aviation, know your contract so you can maximize your income...don't just agree with whatever your union says is best for you. If a contract change (proposal) doesn't meet the sniff test of either giving you more money or more time off (preferably both), it isn't good. |
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