No, I didn't so that was likely my problem. However, 4 years on the airplane in ATL and I have never had a A or D period before.

I vote for this. Work rules are huge. Its also a little easier for the company to swallow rather than have to sign on to huge hourly rate increases. Trip hour credit, duty period credit, time and a half over 80 hours and many other tools like this can up the check and give you more time at home. This job is all about maximumizing pay with minimum time away from home. We need to really focus on 117 effects on time away from home and get our work rules adjusted to compensate for the longer layovers. Personally, I would love to shoot the idiots that came up with the 117 crap. Probably desk flyers deciding what's best for the line flyer with no idea at all about the real deal!!!

Yeah, those 2 day, 2 leg 20 hour Key West layovers must be real butt kickers...:rolleyes:

Enjoy! Would be nice to get trips like that routinely!

Yeah, because we know under part 121 that the 8 hour layover was a great thing! Not to mention how much it made sense that you had 30 in 7 for domestic, but if you flew south of the CONUS you could up it to 32/7 (what cubicle-dweller in 1954 thought of that one).

We also knew how much it made sense that under part 121, if you had a trip with > 12 hours block, you had to have bunks and four pilots (which I totally agree with) but due to "fatigue" you had to have twice the block time off of the entire trip. Meanwhile, you could fly a three man trip blocked at 11.59, got less rest in a poorer environment, and could go out the next day and do it again!

Yup, part 121 made lots and lots of sense.

Yes I am being childishly sarcastic. And yes, part 117 has a lot of "issues" that could stand to be fixed. But part 121 made just as little sense, and we had it for decades.

117 has made schedules better at my carrier. Interesting that Delta pilots find it so much worse.

Yes :D

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Most of what the Delta pilots are feeling has nothing to do with 117. We were overstaffed for many years and the company spread that over staffing throughout the copilot seats in most fleets. I know guys who only flew on reserve 3 to 4 days a month for years. That surplus is now gone and times have changed.

I always bid both; Avoid A+D, then I ask for specific days off (BTW, Labor Day is Sept. 1) and lastly I put "Award xxxx" for the B and C periods I want, on the days I want them.

But so few guys even remember to bid for recurrent on the 25th of the month prior, I always get what I ask for! :D

I probably shouldn't even be here reminding them! :eek:

Oh, here's something else to remember, the system will store your bids, so if you just put "Avoid A+D", that will carry forward to the following months. It doesn't flush your bids every month like it does with the monthly like bidding.

Ya'll have D periods?

Understand many of the DGS Instructors are age 60 retirees who watched their buddies "get to fly" another 5 years... some are pretty resentful about being forced to give up their left seat.

I am concerned enough to have filed FOIA requests on the Company's and ALPA's submissions to the FAA Advisory and Rulemaking Committee several weeks ago. Some of our Reps are also asking ALPA Admin to report to the MEC on these activities.

If standards are going to be reduced, at either end, we pilots should have input. Age 65+ is a safety and a political issue. At the other end Delta is retaining more risk and lowering standards at it's RJ subsidiary may not be in our best interest.

I have been working too much to keep as close an eye on things as is warranted by circumstances.