Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

You're flying with NERD this weekend huh?

I was referring to NERD's FO who is apparently "itching" for a reason to walk off. If in his professional opinion he should not extend (yes for any reason) then he should not agree to continue. That was not the impression that I got from NERD's post.

To blatantly look for a reason to disturb the operation isn't helping any of us. Since you like flying with guys like that, can I assume you're of the same mindset that it's okay to look for reasons ("itch") to "walk away."

^^^^This is a separate conversation from the acceptance of an extension. I'm talking about a guy that is looking to cause problems. If your personal policy is to never extend because you think our duty days are long enough (and therefore unsafe) then fine, but actively looking/itching for a reason to walk off a trip is a whole different animal. I'd like to think we're better than that.

Remember who you were talking to, and that explains it all. ;)

tsquare

06-28-2014 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GBU-24 (Post 1673573)

Hey,

I asked the question the other day but didn't get the answer I was necessarily looking for...

When you switch jets is the pay during training at the old jet rate or new jet rate?

Thanks...

I don't know for sure, but I think it has to do with your conversion date. If you convert before training, I think you get the new rate... but don't hold me to that... it is an ASS/U/ME(ption)

Alan Shore

06-28-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GBU-24 (Post 1673573)

When you switch jets is the pay during training at the old jet rate or new jet rate?

It all depends on your conversion date, which is dependent upon the date your sim training is scheduled to finish. I would recommend reading about it in Section 11 B. and calling the ALPA office on Monday for specific answers to your situation.

Alan Shore

06-28-2014 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1673523)

Don't forget that the :30 postflight does not count for FARs as rest or duty so you can go to 13:30 before extending or 15:30 after extending. You are 2:04 away from extending and 4:04 away from being done involuntarily.

Not true. The 13/15/9 shows a pilot's FDP limits, without and with a 2-hour extension. As an FDP never includes the 30-minute release, they are 1:34 away from their FDP limit.

Sink r8

06-28-2014 07:52 AM

Also glad to see alfa posting again.

OceanCrosser

06-28-2014 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1673523)

I hate FAR 117. I believe it was a huge step back in rest issues and causes more fatigue. It looked good on paper until you read about the 2 hour extension and not including postflight in duty period which essentially extends every table 2:30. There's a reason why no airlines had to increase manning when it came out.

Hockeypilot,

Yes, the new FAR 117 is a cumbersome and poorly written document that missed the target completely. Unfortunately it was crafted with input from pilot types who have very little "actual" time on the line. I have very little respect for their years of flying a desk and then telling you they know what is best for you.

I can't speak to the domestic front, but the international arena has been bastardized completely. Especially the requirement for the landing pilot to have a two hour rest in the last half of the FDP. Sleep inertia is a dangerous thing that is often overlooked. In the past, our FOM was written to provide the flexibility in having the most alert pilot in the crew operating the controls. Now there is much less of a chance of being assured you have the best one at the controls. Where has common sense gone?

Fly safe,

OC

paxhauler85

06-28-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1673120)

Thanks to Southwestern Airlines for not raising the bar! :rolleyes:

Upset that they haven't accepted the first marginal proposal put in front of their face like you did?

Perhaps they'll fall for a "sign this and we'll grow" deal. Worked for Delta.

sailingfun

06-28-2014 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1673542)

yes, I do.

You enjoy flying with guys who are angry about everything? I find it makes for a long trip.

MD88Driver

06-28-2014 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1673398)

Alfaromeo,

I'm glad to see you again.

FTB

Welcome back Alfa. Many of us have been with you in thoughts and prayers.

Elliot

06-28-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1673120)

Thanks to Southwestern Airlines for not raising the bar! :rolleyes:

Upset that they haven't accepted the first marginal proposal put in front of their face like you did?

Perhaps they'll fall for a "sign this and we'll grow" deal. Worked for Delta.

Not at all. I'm actually upset about the fact they have NEVER raised the bar, but have only made incremental gains on the backs of other legacy carriers.

It appears as though they have a superior contract, ONLY because of the bankruptcy reset of others.

This forum knows you have nothing but love for Southwestern. You go ahead & tell everyone that at your Delta interview! (Oh, that's right, you don't have to interview at a Major because you were grandfathered in through your regional interview.):rolleyes: Why don't you turn down your flow through to Delta, since our contract was/is "marginal" and wait for Southwestern to call?

You last statement makes no sense? "Sign this and grow?" Whatever information you're getting at the regional level, you should take it for what it's worth. OBTW, Delta IS growing. :eek:

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