Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1699602)

If it could save a few hundred training cycles (which would only wind up being reversed in a 2-3 years anyway as displaced pilots bid back in to their previous categories as retirements pick up) it would save the Company a boatload of coin.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1699472)

Twin rotex engines is a big part of the cost.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1699647)

You are assuming any of them want to go early. And why would they?

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1699647)

But supposing you are right, why would WE want to fund that? Since it would... as you say... save the company a boatload of coin.. it would be incumbent upon them to take care of it. Our participation in its' creation would not be necessary.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1699602)

If it could save a few hundred training cycles (which would only wind up being reversed in a 2-3 years anyway as displaced pilots bid back in to their previous categories as retirements pick up) it would save the Company a boatload of coin.

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1699700)

I think the PERP would be a good idea, if in fact the aircraft are not coming back from the lessor, however not sure saving the company a boatload of coin ever translates in a win for the pilots long term. After 30+ years...I tend to be a little jaded! JMHO

Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1699771)

Going to a new plane and haven't done the shadow bidding thing. Is the strategy to still bid as much as you can during the training (then it gets released)? Also, new pay rate doesn't happen until you are converted, correct. I am supposed to end training on the 10th of Oct, training starts in Sept. Thanks.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1699550)

Shadow is the amount of time the company is estimating you will be done with the sim, but not yet OE'd, therefore unqualified to actually fly a trip.

The general gouge is cram as many trips or RSV days into your shadow period as possible. Any trips awarded in your shadow period will be put on your line for construction purposes, and then immediately put back into the pot, to be awarded to someone junior to you (or left in open time.) In short, you will get paid to not fly these trips. If/when they call you for OE and it falls within your shadow period, then you will receive the greater of the trip you fly or the one they dropped.

Use something like:

AWARD Trips IF Depart on SEP 4 - SEP 14
Then do the rest of your bid...

Hopefully a good majority of your trips will be awarded during this period. Same strategy applies for RSV bidding.

The pay stacks on top if they don't get to you, and you end up doing your OE on days off after the shadow. I bid max credit in April and got a ~80 line. All of the trips touched the shadow and were dropped/paid (thanks FAR 117.)

Then I ended up doing OE near the end of the month on days off resulting in 110+ hours of pay for flying 2 3-day trips! It definitely pays to stack your days off after the shadow and then "volunteer" with the OE planner to do your OE AFTER the shadow.

This was when they were backed up on the 717 in the winter/early spring so YMMV. Happy Bidding.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1699697)

Every man has his price.



Where did I say we would fund any of this?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1699774)

Here's a good explanation posted earlier.