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Originally Posted by TheManager
(Post 1718675)
Sailing! How would you even begin to negotiate that without losing value on the deal on a percentage basis. Non starter.
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Sailing, you can keep saying that you're "only saying blah blah blah", but you're failing to see the point: Your fellow Delta pilots are all telling you how boneheaded your point is. Now if you were onto something that only a genius could put together then I'd think you could make a reasoned argument for the layman to understand. But that's not the case here. Your math is pretty easy to figure out. The average person at this point typically pauses and reviews what they've said to see if they truly meant it. Have you taken this first step, or have you skipped it? Take a moment, collect your thoughts and ponder the idea that perhaps what you've suggested is just plain and simply a bad deal for the Delta pilot.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1718609)
I don't have a clue what your talking about. Not once have I advocated giving back the profit sharing. I have simply stated that a guarantee is far better then a maybe. We earned it so no need to give it back. Make it a guarantee however and I am all over it.
If you "make it a guarantee" then its no longer profit sharing, its straight pay. |
Originally Posted by Vikz09
(Post 1718275)
I hope this is not a sign of things to come from our Virgin Atlantic JV. If so it seems once again very favorable to a much smaller JV partner. Look at all the newly add flights on Virgin metal to the US we add 1 flight JFK-MAN. Please tell me it will get better than this.
Virgin Atlantic drops routes to bolster transatlantic schedule | News | Travel Trade Gazette |
If I remember right, we negotiated a good contract in 2000 or so.
In 2001, we had 9/11. We benefitted from the 2000 contract until 2004, despite the change in conditions. There are normally lags between company performance and employee benefits. I've been okay with that up until now (though the last period of company profitability). Why would we preemptively assume weak market conditions and settle for less in anticipation (and let the 'lags' only benefit the company)? Why should we concede profit sharing at all? The reality is that Delta is profiting and we are as deserving a stakeholder as anyone else. Don't worry, if conditions change and we start losing money, the company won't be shy about asking for concessions. The've done it before. |
Originally Posted by illini90
(Post 1718666)
Is there a place on iCrew or some place that I can see how much per diem I received each day? Thanks!
In iCrew under "Pay/Hours" click on "Pay Statement" and then select the option to "Display in Scroll Box for Printing". Scroll to the bottom. It doesn't break it down by day. Its per rotation. It shows you your time away from base and your meals. Good luck making sense of the numbers. |
Originally Posted by casual observer
(Post 1718692)
We benefitted from the 2000 contract until 2004, despite the change in conditions.
As to the rest, I agree. |
Originally Posted by casual observer
(Post 1718673)
Again if tomorrow Delta offered a 14% raise to end the profit sharing we should jump all over it.
I don't know very much about contracts or negotiations, but let me get this straight: I give up 14% profit sharing for a 14% raise. Isn't my paycheck going to remain basically unchanged? In this environment, two thoughts come to my mind: 1) Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. 2) That is ******ing retarded. Delta is making record profits and other stakeholders are reaping their rewards. The pilot group has taken huge concessions for the past 10 years to assist in the company's road back to profitability. Market conditions today anticipate a huge pilot shortage that makes the tickets you hold in your pocket worth much more. I'll be honest. I don't get that. Let the profit sharing ride and double 14% as an appropriate opener considering the circumstances. |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1718686)
Sailing, you can keep saying that you're "only saying blah blah blah", but you're failing to see the point: Your fellow Delta pilots are all telling you how boneheaded your point is. Now if you were onto something that only a genius could put together then I'd think you could make a reasoned argument for the layman to understand. But that's not the case here. Your math is pretty easy to figure out. The average person at this point typically pauses and reviews what they've said to see if they truly meant it. Have you taken this first step, or have you skipped it? Take a moment, collect your thoughts and ponder the idea that perhaps what you've suggested is just plain and simply a bad deal for the Delta pilot.
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1718686)
Sailing, you can keep saying that you're "only saying blah blah blah", but you're failing to see the point: Your fellow Delta pilots are all telling you how boneheaded your point is. Now if you were onto something that only a genius could put together then I'd think you could make a reasoned argument for the layman to understand. But that's not the case here. Your math is pretty easy to figure out. The average person at this point typically pauses and reviews what they've said to see if they truly meant it. Have you taken this first step, or have you skipped it? Take a moment, collect your thoughts and ponder the idea that perhaps what you've suggested is just plain and simply a bad deal for the Delta pilot.
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...ump_698_07.gif Got it! The funny part about this whole thing is when the profit sharing first came out the forum declared it worthless! |
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