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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1810316)
I think that's probably right.
Got this letter from the DPA website about the Virgin Atlantic pilots: ------------ Dear Tim and members of DPA, I write to introduce you to the PPU, the majority pilots’ union within Virgin Atlantic Airways. You will find that the PPU and the DPA’s journey’s have been very similar and also our raison d’etre. Please have a look at our website:- Home We started with no members in January 2013 and now have 75% of VAA’s unionised pilots as members, representing approximately 65% of the total pilot workforce. Our growth has been consistent and relentless. On January 29th, we enter discussions with VAA regarding “a review of pilot representation within VAA”. Interestingly, the incumbent recognised union (that we intend to replace) BALPA, will be holding an “all Virgin Atlantic Pilots meeting” on the same evening, attended by DALMEC. So Tim, we’re walking the same road as DPA and for the same reasons. I would therefore like to open communications between the PPU and DPA, so please feel free to call me. We look forward to forging a mutually constructive relationship with DPA at the earliest opportunity. Kindest regards Barry Eustance Chairman - On Behalf of the PPU Representing the majority of pilots in Virgin Atlantic Airways -------------------- Carl The thing that stinks is, I along with many, still 'like' ALPA, but feel ALPA has lost its way. Seems to be less about safety and career improvements and more about national politics. I'm not blind to the fact politics plays a role in the those items.... but none the less, perhaps just a tad too political. |
Originally Posted by thefoxsays
(Post 1810352)
The thing that stinks is, I along with many, still 'like' ALPA, but feel ALPA has lost its way.
Seems to be less about safety and career improvements and more about national politics. I'm not blind to the fact politics plays a role in the those items.... but none the less, perhaps just a tad too political. Or is your issue that you don't want ALPA to support candidates that you wouldn't otherwise vote for? If that's the case I sort of get it. I vote my job (labor friendly candidates) first but I can understand consternation with ALPA if that's not your top priority. |
Originally Posted by Oberon
(Post 1810461)
I vote my job (labor friendly candidates) first but I can understand consternation with ALPA if that's not your top priority.
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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1809888)
I'm going to play golf with Tiger Woods and beat him with my resolve.
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1809888)
MD refuses to speak on our behalf.
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1809888)
Refuses to lead. Refuses to unite. We are up against a world.class negotiator and all we hear is silence. Our only chance at a historic agreement is if MD starts to lead. Today's email. Fail.
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1809888)
Let's take a stand before the next buy back in May. Let's stop playing dead. Silence is consent.
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On a more serious note, is any one else as tired of "Deflategate" as I am? Let's just play the game so Seattle can go home with their tail between their legs. ( Sorry Denny)
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Originally Posted by Karnak
(Post 1810490)
Get a better analogy. There is no physical skill element to this process that would benefit one player over another. We aren't trying to carry the water hazard into the wind with a 1-iron, we're negotiating.
He speaks on my behalf, so please change "our" to "my" when you make claims like this. That makes me feel better. It's the reinforcement I need. Seeing North Korea angry tells me things are going well for us, and MD is making good decisions. Consent is measured, whether or not it was silent or vocal. Assume you were MEC chairman. You are going to write an email to the Delta pilots that managment will read. Would you: A: Talk about getting hourly increases for the past 7 years completely ignoring the fact that a 50% pay cut requires a 100% raise just to get back to zero. Ignoring the fact that in everyone's world but the insiders inflation exists. Ignoring the fact that we still need a 20% increase to hit decade old hourly rates. Or B: Talk about the fact that our execs compensation is up over 700% since bankruptcy. Delta just completed yet another stock repurchase a year early and they plan another this coming May. That it is our turn. That prior to another buy back the pilots need their hourly rates snapped up to the decade old numbers. His letter makes no sense. It alienates more than unifies. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1810487)
And there you have it. When folks vote for their jobs, unearned entitlements, free phones, whatever, instead of for what's best for their country...
What if a candidate that stands up for labor may just be the best for the country and it's middle class? No one person can pass free phones legislation.... there must be a group that thinks it is the right thing to do. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1810021)
They target groups for yes votes just like last time. This message targeted at New hires.
They should tread carefully. Obviously the new hire FAs are signing union cards. The new hire FAs would be ignorant to sign cards unless they really, really, want to sit reserve 30 days a month! Why do you think the senior mamas want a union.? they hate A days and will gladly give them to the size 2's..... |
Agreed, and as a capstone to your post "Inequality for All" should be required viewing the day before you cast your vote for the next contract.
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Buck
That was a great post, but you need to re-read Atlas Shrugged. You and I both know the ALPA admin has feathered their bed to a ridiculous and embarrassing level. 92 hours on whatever you can hold in New York. Really?? They do not feel our pain. |
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