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I hope you are correct and we don't touch profit sharing.

What will be fun is if we get a TA with reduced profit sharing, will be reading your whiney and pathetic rationalization and waterboy sales job for a yes vote. How giving up "at-risk" pay is a victory!

 

I get that, but this was undersold with the 4833 discussion and from what I know, no one realized that touching PS was on the table until it suddenly showed up to essentially pay for a portion of the raise.

If I'm not mistaken we get approx. 1/3 of the PS. Does this mean this reduction paid for roughly 6% of the raise as the company was able to reduce PS to other employee groups?

 

Been trying to make this point for a while. We put our blind trust in the contract survey and then are dismissed from providing any input to our reps until we have the official "TA" language in place. My issue with this, as a member, is that how am I supposed to be giving feedback to my elected LEC representatives if all I have to formulate my concerns is based on hearsay, rumor, and conjecture?

 

CDO's come to mind? Agreed 100%!

 

I guess the two guys I flew with encountered the same mysterious shadow agents.

 

Split Duty Periods is another example. I asked one of my reps what was being negotiated regarding the FAR 117. I was told he couldn't discuss the details with me due to non-disclosure agreements (or the like) other than to say it was a packaged list of 3 items the union was asking for. Then WHAM -- here you go, SPSs: enjoy that! What? Where did that come from? Why can't you tell me about this stuff so we can discuss it rather than just drop it on us out of no where????

From the sound of it the only thing that is at risk about the PS is our union trading it away.

 

All these posts and not one person can provide a single name of a union official who wants to give away profit sharing. Calling it at risk compensation does not mean you want to give it away. That is a standard term for any type of conditional pay.

 

Just like 4-8-3-3. When we first heard of it (on the forums) we thought it was a pathetic joke of someone's imagination. Little did we know it was ALPA's pride and joy.

 

Did the pilots get out? Used to fly nuts like this in a beat up old 182...the amount of stress put on those airframes by the squirrels getting out on the struts is huge. Was always a fear of mine that the tail would snap off or a strut would fail...man...the things we did to get here...

 

You can give input to your LEC reps today, this hour, this minute. Why do you depend on "hearsay, rumor, and conjecture" to form your opinions? This "reducing PS" rumor may have some basis in fact, or it could all be internet pot-stirring.

Determine what is most important to you (internet discussion boards be damned) and provide input to your LEC reps accordingly.

Also, never forget you are one of 12,000 and we all have opinions, and we all can't share the same view all the time. That is what your MEC and negotiators have to deal with before dealing with the company.

Last, I will never forget talking to a guy soon after C2K was ratified telling me he was going to "quit the union, because this new contract is so concessionary." Now the hindsight-is-20/20 view is that C2K was written on tablets and brought down from Mt. Sinai. Your union has to deal with that sort of perspective as well.