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Old 02-06-2015, 08:01 AM
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What will be fun is if we get a TA with reduced profit sharing, will be reading your whiney and pathetic rationalization and waterboy sales job for a yes vote. How giving up "at-risk" pay is a victory!
With a post like this, if the TA comes out without PS ever being touched, I expect you, Purple, Hockey, et al to be the first ones posting your Mea Culpas here.
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:03 AM
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Only because my posts are the ones that get deleted.

I ask that they delete your posts until you agree with Buzzpat on politics and NFL football.
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Sailing

I hope you are correct and we don't touch profit sharing.

What will be fun is if we get a TA with reduced profit sharing, will be reading your whiney and pathetic rationalization and waterboy sales job for a yes vote. How giving up "at-risk" pay is a victory!
GZSG,

Believe it or not, I am complete agreement with you and Purple with regards to certain reps who want to reduce profit sharing. I have ZERO doubt that there is an active campaign rightly or wrongly, to reduce the amount of profit sharing...

That being said, because somebody had a different opinion is it really necessary to call them "whiney and pathetic?"
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
With a post like this, if the TA comes out without PS ever being touched, I expect you, Purple, Hockey, et al to be the first ones posting your Mea Culpas here.
I've offered mea culpas before, and I'll do it again if PS remains intact or improved.

I expect you, Oberon, sailingfun, shiznit, et all to do the same if DALPA brings us a TA with reduced profit sharing or some other unforeseen concession.

Just to clarify, you're opposed to any concessions. Is that correct?
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
With a post like this, if the TA comes out without PS ever being touched, I expect you, Purple, Hockey, et al to be the first ones posting your Mea Culpas here.
What if they totally eliminate PS for a 40% pay raise on DOS?



I'm still struggling to explain this because my English is not very good, but, I do not mind DALPA talking about exchanging PS for pay. I don't. What I want to know is what is the exchange rate of $1 likely PS dollar vs a guaranteed dollar? Because there is no way the company will agree to a 1:1.

We're gambling either way, we should be given all the info when this TA drops to make as good a bet as we can IF they do indeed want to trade PS for GM (guaranteed money).
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:25 AM
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I don't have a question but I do want to ask you guys something. I was once on the NC at another airline but I left after my helicopter got shot down by an RPG during Hurricane Katrina... damn you Brian Williams, you were the only one at NBC I liked.



Anyways, doesn't the MEC dictate to the NC what to do? If there is 1 guy that wants to trade PS for GM, what's wrong with hearing about it now in full? Why wait until an entire TA is negotiated and dropped in our laps with a sales pitch and a demand to sign it or face the consequences?
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
With a post like this, if the TA comes out without PS ever being touched, I expect you, Purple, Hockey, et al to be the first ones posting your Mea Culpas here.
You have my word on that.

Looking forward to it.

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Old 02-06-2015, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco View Post
GZSG,

Believe it or not, I am complete agreement with you and Purple with regards to certain reps who want to reduce profit sharing. I have ZERO doubt that there is an active campaign rightly or wrongly, to reduce the amount of profit sharing...

That being said, because somebody had a different opinion is it really necessary to call them "whiney and pathetic?"
For me the problem is that pilots like this speak from both sides of their mouth.

First they attack me for telling the truth because they want the line pilots in the dark. Like they did with CDOs.

They after its true, they make excuses and empty threats to force us into voting yes.

If we reducing profit sharing, Sailing will be selling it hard as a win. Like he invented it.
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
For me the problem is that pilots like this speak from both sides of their mouth.

First they attack me for telling the truth because they want the line pilots in the dark. Like they did with CDOs.

They after its true, they make excuses and empty threats to force us into voting yes.

If we reducing profit sharing, Sailing will be selling it hard as a win. Like he invented it.
Please don't shoot the messenger...just passing along info. Had a JSer Schoolhouse/line type this past trip. Was leaving a meeting at the training dept where RA spoke. He passed that RA said "profit sharing won't be touched".

Just what I was told. We shall see.....
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dtfl View Post
Please don't shoot the messenger...just passing along info. Had a JSer Schoolhouse/line type this past trip. Was leaving a meeting at the training dept where RA spoke. He passed that RA said "profit sharing won't be touched".

Just what I was told. We shall see.....
Look, I like and respect our CEO but, he wasn't here to do the merger either. I don't know if profit sharing is one of those things where they have to keep the public party line separate from the private one.



Right between the eyes (smiley)
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