Our scope now--while still needing improvement--is vastly superior to what we had in C2K...you know, the contract everyone aspires to revert to. Pay-wise, yes. Everything else, no.

02-06-2015 | 06:28 AM

#177532

Elliot

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From: "Prof" button manipulator

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Originally Posted by DogWhisperer

Did the pilots get out? Used to fly nuts like this in a beat up old 182...the amount of stress put on those airframes by the squirrels getting out on the struts is huge. Was always a fear of mine that the tail would snap off or a strut would fail...man...the things we did to get here...

The pilot of one airplane got out and parachuted safely to the ground. The other airplane, damaged but still flyable, the pilot was able to dead-stick to the strip they were jumping from/to and landed safely.

The part the video doesn't show was that the trail airplane's pilot was 'high' on the lead, in addition to flying cross-cockpit!!

He lost visual of lead underneath his own instrument panel and tried to acquire by lowering the nose. That's the point where his prop contacted/shredded the empennage of the lead airplane and well, the rest is on video!! #formation-flying-101

It's miraculous nobody was hurt or killed. This 'team' has a history of these 'situations'.

02-06-2015 | 06:40 AM

#177533

paxhauler85

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy

I'll bet the first ever contract to be voted down at Delta will be C2015 if we don't beat AA rates AND keep profit sharing. (Along with no CDO's,)

You might need to join in on the sick time abuse bonanza, because you're high if you believe that.

I agree with you, mind you, but I don't trust the other 51% of the list who toes the company line.

If by some crazy chance, I'm there to vote on the next contract, I'll be right there with you on the "No" side of things (under your above scenario).

02-06-2015 | 06:53 AM

#177534

NERD

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It's on the link to the "white paper" report. They can collect all the data they want, but without a change to our contract we get 100 hours unverified. They can't just change it because they perceive some are using too much.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Now that I'm skimming...

I'm not seeing the on time performance thing, but all the enhancements that I see are coming 13 Feb.

Between the group of us skimming, we make somewhere near a complete brain. And by somewhere near, I mean that in a very general "near-ish-ish" sense.

02-06-2015 | 06:54 AM

#177535

Dorfman

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

All these posts and not one person can provide a single name of a union official who wants to give away profit sharing. Calling it at risk compensation does not mean you want to give it away. That is a standard term for any type of conditional pay.

My LEC rep told me that at the previous MEC meeting there were members of the MEC who stated they were willing to trade away PS for pay raises.

I do not know who they MEC members were because I did not ask. I was happy when my rep told me he was opposed to it.

02-06-2015 | 07:05 AM

#177536

hockeypilot44

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Originally Posted by Schwanker

I get that, but this was undersold with the 4833 discussion and from what I know, no one realized that touching PS was on the table until it suddenly showed up to essentially pay for a portion of the raise.

If I'm not mistaken we get approx. 1/3 of the PS. Does this mean this reduction paid for roughly 6% of the raise as the company was able to reduce PS to other employee groups?

DALPA decided that 15 percent of 2.5 billion in pretax profits was worth about 6 percent of your earnings for a profit sharinf check. They took 1/3 of that away leaving you with 4 percent for the first 2.5 billion in pretax profits. Equal to 2 percent of pay. It was a good move, but it helped hide that our contract was nowhere near what anyone was expecting.

02-06-2015 | 07:15 AM

#177537

sailingfun

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Anyone know the current layover hotel in FLL. Trying to find a option under 500.00 for the Miami boat show.

02-06-2015 | 08:01 AM

#177538

Justdoinmyjob

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Originally Posted by gzsg

What will be fun is if we get a TA with reduced profit sharing, will be reading your whiney and pathetic rationalization and waterboy sales job for a yes vote. How giving up "at-risk" pay is a victory!

With a post like this, if the TA comes out without PS ever being touched, I expect you, Purple, Hockey, et al to be the first ones posting your Mea Culpas here.

02-06-2015 | 08:03 AM

#177539

forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Only because my posts are the ones that get deleted.

I ask that they delete your posts until you agree with Buzzpat on politics and NFL football.

02-06-2015 | 08:12 AM

#177540

RonRicco

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From: Captain

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Originally Posted by gzsg

Sailing

I hope you are correct and we don't touch profit sharing.

What will be fun is if we get a TA with reduced profit sharing, will be reading your whiney and pathetic rationalization and waterboy sales job for a yes vote. How giving up "at-risk" pay is a victory!

GZSG,

Believe it or not, I am complete agreement with you and Purple with regards to certain reps who want to reduce profit sharing. I have ZERO doubt that there is an active campaign rightly or wrongly, to reduce the amount of profit sharing...

That being said, because somebody had a different opinion is it really necessary to call them "whiney and pathetic?"