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iceman49 08-23-2015 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1954665)
Based on the feedback from students.

That's pure BS, I have audited the surveys while serving in another capacity. There are a lot of good instructors and a lot that are there because of the good ol boy club. Gee I'm going to use my buddy as an instructor because he is out on a medical, oh by the way I've never served on the aircraft.
Most common complaints, non standardized, teaching of technique, lack of continuity of instruction.
Did you even see the LOSA report?

DALMD88FO 08-23-2015 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1955092)
SLI pay and scheduling is all spelled out in the PWA. It's on your tablet for your convenience. Section 11.C.3.c covers your question of an FO too junior for the category, he goes in as the plug.

I've always had some heartache with the SLI being on an aircraft that they can't hold, but it's mostly because of pay reasons. There has been a very junior SLI on both the whale and the 777. Not even close to holding the aircraft but getting paid to fly it or do they only get paid what they can actually hold? I've been told both ways.

Razor 08-23-2015 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 1955114)
I've always had some heartache with the SLI being on an aircraft that they can't hold, but it's mostly because of pay reasons. There has been a very junior SLI on both the whale and the 777. Not even close to holding the aircraft but getting paid to fly it or do they only get paid what they can actually hold? I've been told both ways.

SLI pay is covered by the PWA Section 11.13. Instructors get paid for what they can hold. FO SLI's get paid the highest paying FO rate they can hold, but not captain rate. Since captain has gone pretty junior I would guess that all the SLI's are being paid the applicable 777 rate.

surfnski 08-23-2015 05:48 PM

When dropping a trip, how do you make your trip show up as a "Q" trip in open time?

I put the trip on the swap board and did a personal drop.

buzzpat 08-23-2015 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by surfnski (Post 1955485)
When dropping a trip, how do you make your trip show up as a "Q" trip in open time?

I put the trip on the swap board and did a personal drop.

It will automatically show that way if there's insufficient reserve coverage to drop.

SabreDriver 08-23-2015 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1955141)
SLI pay is covered by the PWA Section 11.13. Instructors get paid for what they can hold. FO SLI's get paid the highest paying FO rate they can hold, but not captain rate. Since captain has gone pretty junior I would guess that all the SLI's are being paid the applicable 777 rate.


You would also be incorrect.

They are all certainly being paid 7ER pay, as that category still has new hires, but you'd have to check the SLI #s, and cross reference the latest category list to see the plug on the 777B. The # of the system CA plug is irrelevant.


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LOBO 08-23-2015 08:44 PM

Sabre,

Razor is correct on the pay. If someone junior to you is holding captain and you are an F/O you are paid at the highest F/O pay (according to years of service).

A lot of '07 & '08 hires who are SLI's are getting 777/747B pay at 8 & 9 year pay ($176 & $178)

pilotc90a 08-24-2015 04:26 AM

About once a year the Junior SLI issue comes up. I don't know why. It seems to me it is a lot like the CA that was quoted that he doesn't want the FO's making more than him and he doesn't like FO's sitting at home.

What is the fascination with what everyone else is doing?

SabreDriver 08-24-2015 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by LOBO (Post 1955551)
Sabre,

Razor is correct on the pay. If someone junior to you is holding captain and you are an F/O you are paid at the highest F/O pay (according to years of service).

A lot of '07 & '08 hires who are SLI's are getting 777/747B pay at 8 & 9 year pay ($176 & $178)


I respectfully disagree.

As a FO SLI, One would have to be an early 2001 hire to get 777B pay, and the junior 777B guy (non INS) is a 3/2001 hire, #9501 on the latest category list. IIRC, by November it will fall to about #9900, off the May AE. As an FO SLI, the fact that someone junior to you can hold CA is irrelevant. It is determined solely by what you can hold as an FO.


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Razor 08-24-2015 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by SabreDriver (Post 1955642)
As an FO SLI, the fact that someone junior to you can hold CA is irrelevant.

That's not how the company sees it. As an SLI you get paid for what you can hold. If someone junior to you is holding captain and you are an FO then you don't get captain pay, you get the highest FO rate. I guess they figure it cuts down on churn in SLIs.


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