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badflaps 09-16-2015 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1972385)
Will management change the FA'a pTIX definition, like they were trying to do to us?

Anyway, if true, good for the FA's. That's a lot of kitty litter and Fancy Feast. Maybe it will allow them stop pillaging FC meals to bring home to Miss Fuzzy.

You know waay too much about cats.......hmmmmm...

orvil 09-16-2015 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1972464)
Pay package officially announced. Didn't the forum say the company would not grant a early raise to avoid 3b4?

I think that was one of the options that was discussed. The Company did this to achieve three things. To put a stop to unionization activity, avoid 3b4 being triggered, and to poke a stick in our eye.

Actions such as this may have unforeseen results. While I don't begrudge anyone good fortune, I think this will have the effect of galvanizing the pilots.

Ragtop Day 09-16-2015 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by GBU-24 (Post 1972475)
Now that the October bid is out...can I pickup now off the open board to add time to my schedule or do I have to wait until the 20th?

Thanks in advance...

You have to wait until the 20th to pick up off the open time board, but if pilots have anything on the swap board as a straight pickup you can grab that immediately.

ExAF 09-16-2015 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1972512)
Actions such as this may have unforeseen results. While I don't begrudge anyone good fortune, I think this will have the effect of galvanizing the pilots.

Can you say labor risk on the table?

Brocc15 09-16-2015 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1972512)
I think that was one of the options that was discussed. The Company did this to achieve three things. To put a stop to unionization activity, avoid 3b4 being triggered, and to poke a stick in our eye.

Actions such as this may have unforeseen results. While I don't begrudge anyone good fortune, I think this will have the effect of galvanizing the pilots.

How does this avoid 3B4? Looks like it would trigger about a 1 % pay increase for us if i'm looking at it right.

flyallnite 09-16-2015 07:09 AM

I know there will be the usual comments 'slap in the face' 'insulting' etc... regarding non contract pay raises. Really? Come on... Keep in mind that we were offered practically the same thing in our TA. We elected to stick with what we've got, and to reorganize our bargaining agent, which is in process and can't be engaged until that process is complete. I'm glad that this will help trigger 3.b raises if available, that keeps us in the game. This non contract raise shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We'll get ours when we get our act together again and return to negotiating. The key though will be to avoid the concessions and improve the important areas that were not addressed. Be glad for your fellow employees, and look forward to our raises that we deserve and will achieve. This only helps our cause. And keep in mind, our profit sharing will outpace theirs if we don't complete the process in a timely manner, and we will be getting raises through 3.b possibly as well.

iaflyer 09-16-2015 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1972064)
NFW. There is no way anyone here is getting a double-digit pay raise in a single year, including us.

Guess I should eat my words. Never figured the Flt attendants and ground staff would get such a deal. Maybe we use "Me Too" off them for once...

PilotFrog 09-16-2015 08:27 AM

3.b4 is a rolling 18 months, and it was just triggered in April wasn't it? Does that mean we won't be able to take advantage of this raise?

Jughead135 09-16-2015 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1972168)
I think you will find this is incorrect. Our contract does not cover other employees. The method for determining our payout assigned a value to the non contract employees as part of the formula. The company is not required to pay it.

Well, based on today's announcement, I clearly was incorrect....

Your viewpoint (the contract determines the method of valuation, not the required payment) is one that hadn't occurred to me, and may have merit (at least so far as the company is applying it goes...)--but that's not how I read it.

Golly, imprecise/weak language in our PWA??

iceman49 09-16-2015 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1972561)
Guess I should eat my words. Never figured the Flt attendants and ground staff would get such a deal. Maybe we use "Me Too" off them for once...

Two's in! Amazing


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