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04-21-2010 | 07:16 AM
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From: Dismayed
Dragon, as with most things, each scheduler has their own method. Really, it is not a department policy on how they assign it. Some do as you say, others do it by seniority, others just assign it by bypassing the first two or three than all of the four day guys or on international categories all of the five day plus guys.
Point is there is no set method in which to derive expectations from.
Point is there is no set method in which to derive expectations from.
04-21-2010 | 07:20 AM
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That system works if that scheduler works everyday. My guess is that scheduler A does it the way you described, but the next day scheduler B does it completely by raw score with the 4/5 day days-available only. Then scheduler C does it by raw score in the 3/4/5 days-available block.
If the cookie crumbles the wrong way, you could do a lot of SC in short amount of time. Last month, I think I did 3 SC in one week.
I know they need people on SC and don't mind doing my share, but I wish there was SOME system for how it SC was assigned. That way, you could say, "well, I got SC today but there's a decent chance I won't get it until everyone else has done a SC".
I'm also a big fan of getting a credit in the RAW score for SC.
If the cookie crumbles the wrong way, you could do a lot of SC in short amount of time. Last month, I think I did 3 SC in one week.
I know they need people on SC and don't mind doing my share, but I wish there was SOME system for how it SC was assigned. That way, you could say, "well, I got SC today but there's a decent chance I won't get it until everyone else has done a SC".
I'm also a big fan of getting a credit in the RAW score for SC.
04-21-2010 | 07:30 AM
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Maybe it is just me..... But if a manager at HQ is assigned to go to a city for a period of 24 hours, does DAL pay him for 12 hours and leave him with the hotel bill? Why should we as pilots even consider accepting anything less than what a manager get? It is simply the cost of doing business as far as I am concerned, but then again... maybe it is just me..
04-21-2010 | 07:33 AM
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Any of you NY reserve guys going to the NFL draft tomorrow?
04-21-2010 | 07:39 AM
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The fatal flaw in this logic is that the city they are sending you is your base. I am all for bettering the life of guys on reserve but I don't think company hotels for short calls is worth the negotiating capitol.
I would suggest the bidding for short call/long call it was what was done on the fNWA side and it respected seniority. If I was commuting in for reserve I would want to block my SC together.
Here is the deal if you want to get more people to bid reserve lines...make it worth 75 hours. If reserve was worth 75 hours I would bid it and be happy to take some of those short calls off your hands. I won.t do it for 70 hours I won't take the pay cut.
The fatal flaw in this logic is that the city they are sending you is your base. I am all for bettering the life of guys on reserve but I don't think company hotels for short calls is worth the negotiating capitol.
I would suggest the bidding for short call/long call it was what was done on the fNWA side and it respected seniority. If I was commuting in for reserve I would want to block my SC together.
Here is the deal if you want to get more people to bid reserve lines...make it worth 75 hours. If reserve was worth 75 hours I would bid it and be happy to take some of those short calls off your hands. I won.t do it for 70 hours I won't take the pay cut.
04-21-2010 | 07:40 AM
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Maybe it is just me..... But if a manager at HQ is assigned to go to a city for a period of 24 hours, does DAL pay him for 12 hours and leave him with the hotel bill? Why should we as pilots even consider accepting anything less than what a manager get? It is simply the cost of doing business as far as I am concerned, but then again... maybe it is just me..
04-21-2010 | 07:45 AM
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That is how they roll. If you have days off, the next time you are on is short call, every time.
It seems like this is an F.Y. to commuters. I can see no other reason that the first day should be SC, every time. Inspite of the amount of days on.
If I had my druthers, SC would be like golden X days, we would get to choose.
It seems like this is an F.Y. to commuters. I can see no other reason that the first day should be SC, every time. Inspite of the amount of days on.
If I had my druthers, SC would be like golden X days, we would get to choose.
I would also like to be able to bid for short call but don't see how its possible , we bid a month out and there are too many variables:
Weather events may require more short-calls.
The number of reserves available is constantly changing due to MIL LV, sick, PD's, APD's, moving X days etc.
Unforeseen events such as volcanos etc are well..... unforeseen.
It seems to me if we bid for short call it would require a lot more short calls to cover the above issues. I think the best solution would be to make the short call assignments contractual - for example, No short call on your first day of reserve, unless no other pilots are available etc.
Possibly we could enter short call preferences, for example if you are a commuter you could request "consecutive SC" if you live in domicile , maybe you could request non consecutive SC.
Just my 2 cents - Scoop
04-21-2010 | 07:47 AM
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Just as a reminder, you can request SC if you want. You can try to group multiple ones back to back to back.
04-21-2010 | 08:06 AM
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It means 12 hours of credit. Which may or may not equal 12 hours of pay once the month is over.
6 intl short calls= 72 hours of credit. = 2 hours over guarantee.
BUT, using the rest of my method.....
12 days of long call at 5:15 = 63 hrs + 72 = 135 credit!!
I might have to go back to the drawing board on that one.....it only really works for domestic SC.
I do like the FDX way of calc. res. pay: ALV x 96% = RES guar.
RES guar. / on call days = credit per day (usually 4 and change)
Use one week of vacation (6:00/day x 7 days) 42 HRS.
Expand your 42 hours of vacation to cover as many Res. days as possible. (usually 10)
Put leftover reserve days at the beginning of the month. (usually about 4-5)
Your vacation credit puts your "RAW" score through the roof right off the bat.(not called RAW, its slightly different but the same concept).
TAKE THE ENTIRE MONTH OFF.
6 intl short calls= 72 hours of credit. = 2 hours over guarantee.
BUT, using the rest of my method.....
12 days of long call at 5:15 = 63 hrs + 72 = 135 credit!!
I might have to go back to the drawing board on that one.....it only really works for domestic SC.
I do like the FDX way of calc. res. pay: ALV x 96% = RES guar.
RES guar. / on call days = credit per day (usually 4 and change)
Use one week of vacation (6:00/day x 7 days) 42 HRS.
Expand your 42 hours of vacation to cover as many Res. days as possible. (usually 10)
Put leftover reserve days at the beginning of the month. (usually about 4-5)
Your vacation credit puts your "RAW" score through the roof right off the bat.(not called RAW, its slightly different but the same concept).
TAKE THE ENTIRE MONTH OFF.
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04-21-2010 | 08:14 AM
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Scoop is correct. There needs to be flexibility in the system. It stinks from a reserve perspective, but those are the facts. If you went to hard on call days, there would be at least double if not triple the amount of assigned SC days. You would see six at a min. That is at least five times more than I see in all months except the summer months.
SC can be fixed with a few minor changes. People want seniority to matter, which means being junior will stink. Well, that is a fix and it means that the more junior you are the more you will get. It works for some but not for all. In the end something will have to give. What are you willing to accept?
SC can be fixed with a few minor changes. People want seniority to matter, which means being junior will stink. Well, that is a fix and it means that the more junior you are the more you will get. It works for some but not for all. In the end something will have to give. What are you willing to accept?
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