Originally Posted by DAL330drvr (Post 800590)

He addressed that, the only reason it will not, is because they can't handle the training. The 2nd. 330 sim is not certified yet, he did mention we might see 330's in both ATL and NYC next year.

Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 800591)

There is our out. "Ladies and gents, ATC says we would disrupt airport operations if we go back to the gate. Sorry."

Originally Posted by beer (Post 800555)

Quick question for you contract gurus. If you are on SC at 0630 what time can you have a beer at night and be safe? I always thought it was duty and if I haven't been called by..say..1630..I was good to go. According to some of you, you are saying that they can call at 1800 and give me a trip?

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 800556)

retirees = good news


I like. :)

Originally Posted by beer (Post 800555)

Quick question for you contract gurus. If you are on SC at 0630 what time can you have a beer at night and be safe? I always thought it was duty and if I haven't been called by..say..1630..I was good to go. According to some of you, you are saying that they can call at 1800 and give me a trip?

Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 800578)

I thought ATL330 was the position awaiting approval for the AE.

Originally Posted by Ragtop Day (Post 800607)

Yep, they sure can. Now for a domestic trip they will be very limited on what they can give you. In your example, if they call you at 1800 you will have been on "duty" (I know SC is not duty, but also not rest...) 11:30, add 2 hours for show you are now at 13:30. One hour for preflight-14:30, 30 min after landing for post-flight-15:00 hours of duty leaving you only one hour of potential flight time, with no delays built in.

Of course this all goes out the window for international ops. This is important as the "domestic" categories have international cities that can bite you, I think ACL gave an example a few pages back of the 73 drivers getting MAO trips after a long day of SC. Remember if you are fatigued tell them to move to the next guy.

They can, upon request, release you two hours prior to the end of SC. Every time I have asked they have let me go, but I know some people they have denied.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 800606)

It was 34 in April and 20 in May if I recall. I do not have the numbers in front of me.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 800606)

It was 34 in April and 20 in May if I recall. I do not have the numbers in front of me.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 800577)

DOT: No airline to be exempt from new tarmac delay rule

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood announced Thursday that the Department of Transportation has rejected all requests for temporary exemptions to the new tarmac delay rule.

The new rule, which aims to prevent airlines from keeping passengers waiting more than three hours on airport tarmacs, goes into effect April 29. Violations could result in fines costing airlines up to $27,500 per passenger.

Five airlines -- JetBlue, Delta Air Lines, American Airlines, Continental Airlines and US Airways -- have requested temporary exemptions since the rule's December 2009 announcement citing construction at New York's JFK Airport. The airport's main runway is closed and set to reopen July 1.

"Passengers on flights delayed on the tarmac have a right to know they will not be held aboard a plane indefinitely," LaHood said in a statement, according to The Associated Press. "This is an important consumer protection, and we believe it should take effect as planned."

The rule requires airlines to provide passengers with working toilets during delays and food and drinking water after two hours.

"Exceptions are allowed only for safety or security reasons or if air traffic control advises the flight's captain that returning to the terminal would disrupt airport operations," AP writes. "The carriers said that without the requested exemptions large numbers of flights will have to be canceled at the New York-area airports, causing even greater inconvenience for passengers."

The DOT cited the fact that airlines could reroute or reschedule flights at JFK, allowing the airport's other three runways to absorb the extra traffic, as one reason the exemption requests were turned down, the DOT said in a statement. The department added that it will look at each non-compliance case individually, and it will take into account the impact of the JFK situation when deciding to issue fines.

The airlines seeking exemption had similar responses to the ruling, and expressed disappointment, but each said it ultimately intends to comply with the original ruling. But several airlines, including JetBlue, expressed concerns that this decision could have a negative impact on fliers.

"This... could have unintended consequences and result in harming consumers with more delays and cancellations rather than protecting their interests," the airline said in a statement.