Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 825296)

Jungle bus and others. I will flow in the 2nd month of eligable cpz flow thru's. My beef with being held back is as I understand it, there are currently openings in msp. Msp would be my first choice. Being held back for 90 days would allow all those brought into class ahead of the hold backs first choice atg domicle and equipement. Given the choice of the md 80 in msp vs. Jfk I would imagine most new hires would take msp for a number of reasons. Now after the 90 days of my a$$ being held back to continue to support a unprepared cpz operation, I will maybe in a special class for cpz holdbacks but our available base and equipement choices will be a what's left.... after people hired after me have had a choice. In theory I may have to commute to jfk for a extended period of time. This is what bothers me. Is compass and delta going to provide me a phantom bid on domicle and equipement or as I understand it now I won't have any control of my destination until offically in class eith all the other holdbacks? This could potentially cost me thousands in commuter expenses.

Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 825296)

Jungle bus and others. I will flow in the 2nd month of eligable cpz flow thru's. My beef with being held back is as I understand it, there are currently openings in msp. Msp would be my first choice. Being held back for 90 days would allow all those brought into class ahead of the hold backs first choice atg domicle and equipement. Given the choice of the md 80 in msp vs. Jfk I would imagine most new hires would take msp for a number of reasons. Now after the 90 days of my a$$ being held back to continue to support a unprepared cpz operation, I will maybe in a special class for cpz holdbacks but our available base and equipement choices will be a what's left.... after people hired after me have had a choice. In theory I may have to commute to jfk for a extended period of time. This is what bothers me. Is compass and delta going to provide me a phantom bid on domicle and equipement or as I understand it now I won't have any control of my destination until offically in class eith all the other holdbacks? This could potentially cost me thousands in commuter expenses.

Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 825259)

We do have three guys with DL seniority numbers (ex-NW) at the top of our seniority list, they are still officially on voluntary furlough and will be offered recall before any flowthroughs. Those are the only DL seniority numbers at CPS.

Regarding the attitude thing. This has actually been talked about fairly extensively by CPS pilots in our private forum, and I've had discussions about it on the line and in the schoolhouse. Most are aware of what a tremendous opportunity we're being given here, and how important it is for each and every flowthrough to come in with a great attitude, not act entitled, and work as hard in training as if we'd gone through the DL interview process. That said, most of us are pretty wary about the company (CP and DL) honoring the process in the CBA, simply because our company so regularly tries to violate other sections of it, and because we are well aware of the history of regional-major flows. The fact that our company is planning on holding every pilot back from DL for 90 days past their flow date, just because they can, rubs a lot of us the wrong way; it's getting things off on the wrong foot.

Remember, we've all been living with the threat of a flow down for two years. I personally thought I'd be out of a job by now, and arranged my finances accordingly. It's like my life has been on pause. Given that, I'd really like to see the flow up work as advertised. When/If I get to Delta, my attitude will be that of gratitude for a tremendous opportunity and determination to work hard and fit in with the DL pilot group. In the meantime, my attitude will be "The company had better do what is in the contract."

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 825308)

Vikz,

What you describe may happen, but I don't think so. Even if it does happen, it shouldn't be that long. With the anticipated movement for the next year most narrow body FO positions will be available almost immediately.

Unless it has changed DAL's initial assignment does not have a seat-lock, and so a lot of new hires actually successfully bid to a new domicle/aircraft while in initial training. I sure hope this has not changed .......anybody know for sure? :confused:

Scoop

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 825331)

Scoop, unless there is a phantom LOA ;) there is no lock on your first seat.

People need to just chill a little.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 825329)

IMO, Slow is dead on. You have not right to a specific seat at DAL. You are guaranteed a seniority number by the LOA's that are part of our PWA. No one has a right to a specific seat their first day on property. The company has a right to assign the initial seats anywhere there is an opening.

With that last point, you realize that they will probably fill the 9 and 88 slots in nyc first so they can convert pilots senior to you to the 7ER in MSP. There is no rhyme or reason except the most immediate need for the airline.

You get a system number on day on of your class whether or not you flow. There will be a ae out in Aug-Oct that you may miss, but by the time your are done with training there will be another one that will more than likely put you in the base you want to be. So within a year of getting hired you will be in the base of your choosing. That is the nice thing in a hiring cycle. AE's are quick.
Back in the 90's pilots were waiting years for a window view, and longer for a seat at their base. Perspective. I got hired and was sent to NYC. It was not idea, but man, I was glad to be here at DAL and with a system number that for 30+ years would be higher than those getting the ER in class. I got the better number but they go the better jet. I think my ROI will be much better. Take a long term view, please. You are flowing, and less than a year and a half ago we were looking at flow backs.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 825351)

+1

You get the number and somebody else might get the base and jet you want. I had guys in classes shortly after me getting offered the base and seat I wanted and I had to wait for a bid and then a conversion date. Now a few years later, I'm in the base and seat I want AND senior to those guys. Don't focus on the short term, just be glad your getting a flow without having to compete with 10,000 other guys to get an interview.