I never understand this entitlement attack non-sense. The contract has clear verbage on this subject so if it is in the contract wouldn't one assume that you are entitled to it? Compass is a different animal then other DCI carriers and has been from day one. Our flow thru with NWA had a clear advantage over other carriers with regards to hiring, etc. I was told along with many of the senior guys at Compass that the only way to ever get to NWA was to go to compass. Funny thing happend 2 month's later, NWA opened up their application window and hired 150 pilots. Now i am sitting at compass while some of my buddies who wanted to go to Compass but were not as fortunate to get the early on interviews sit back and instead apply and get hired at NWA....Hey that is how the cookie crumbles, i understand that.

Now i have been at compass for 3 years with the constant threat of a flow back which Delta pilots are "entitled" to because it is in your contract. All i am asking for is what is in my contract and your contract to be honered, nothing more, nothing less.

My beef is not with the Delta group (sounds like a great and cohesive group) but with Compass Management. I understand having to hold back management pilots, and check airman. To hold back all eligible compass pilots is a joke. We received a letter to this effect the other day. It does not benefit anyone at compass present or future and makes a training mess for Delta all to benifit compass management. Over a month has gone by since official word has come down on hiring. Compass management still has not picked new check airman or upgraded pilots. If they had a year to hold back pilots i have a feeling they would take the whole year to ramp up. All for a operation of 400 pilots????

I never understand this entitlement attack non-sense. The contract has clear verbage on this subject so if it is in the contract wouldn't one assume that you are entitled to it? Compass is a different animal then other DCI carriers and has been from day one. Our flow thru with NWA had a clear advantage over other carriers with regards to hiring, etc. I was told along with many of the senior guys at Compass that the only way to ever get to NWA was to go to compass. Funny thing happend 2 month's later, NWA opened up their application window and hired 150 pilots. Now i am sitting at compass while some of my buddies who wanted to go to Compass but were not as fortunate to get the early on interviews sit back and instead apply and get hired at NWA....Hey that is how the cookie crumbles, i understand that.

Now i have been at compass for 3 years with the constant threat of a flow back which Delta pilots are "entitled" to because it is in your contract. All i am asking for is what is in my contract and your contract to be honered, nothing more, nothing less.

My beef is not with the Delta group (sounds like a great and cohesive group) but with Compass Management. I understand having to hold back management pilots, and check airman. To hold back all eligible compass pilots is a joke. We received a letter to this effect the other day. It does not benefit anyone at compass present or future and makes a training mess for Delta all to benifit compass management. Over a month has gone by since official word has come down on hiring. Compass management still has not picked new check airman or upgraded pilots. If they had a year to hold back pilots i have a feeling they would take the whole year to ramp up. All for a operation of 400 pilots????

I am sure you guys are right however, we have no idea as to your contract language when it comes to seat lock, domicle assignement, etc. I come on this forum to see how it works because we have no information at compass. I figured based on information i have seen here that msp and jfk were what had openings that were not filled? That be said is that correct or wrong?

I have continued to work with in our union from day 1 and nobody has any answers. It concerns me when you hear the answer to your question as " i am not sure but I think"

Where to begin? You are getting a seniority number at the world's largest airline. We have UAL 777 FOs applying to come here because they see the potential of DAL. When I was hired in '01 I knew I would not get CVG. Instead, I got MCO (commute), NYC (commute after furlough), then ATL which I did an unpaid move to. My point is that no airline will or needs to guarantee you anything. You will go where they want you too. It will be a short lived commute experience, if you end up with one, based on our projected growth. That said, if it pains you to much to commute for a few months, the simple answer to your dilemma is don't flow up. Stay at CPZ and enjoy your career there. I've never heard anyone complaining about starting on an MD88 or a DC9 when asked by an interviewer if there are any questions for them. Oh wait, you didn't interview here.

Vikz, I am in agreement with you. Every Compass pilot knew that they may take the hit if DL ever furloughed. In fact, this agreement was probably a big reason why we didn't. It it not entitlement, it is just time for us to hold up our end of the agreement.

Unfortuntaly, when you get over here you will run into quite a few people who do not understand the details of the flow. The best you can do is take a humble attitude and explain why the flow exists, the Compass interview process and the flowback protections it provides for DL pilots. After hearing the facts, most that I have spoken to agree that this is not a bad deal, but there are always a few...Thats ok, know that there are many of us junior folks that know the risks that you took coming to Compass and are ready and willing to welcome you onboard.

Thank you for the information. This is way more inforation then i have been able to get from Compass. So this whole seat thing works way different then any other airline i have been at. My anger is still with the compass management and hold backs. It continues a trend of being unprepared in all facets of this airline. I guess we have to look who is running it and his track record at the former NWA.... par for course

you totaled mis-constured my post. never once have i complained about the aircraft. My point was that compass management holding pilots back becasue they can, will cause some of us to miss the opportunity to hopefully get a base where we want to be... i.e. msp. Now apparently Delta does things differently when it comes to staffing then other airlines i have been at. However if you saw a opportunity to be based in your home domicle and your management held you back for no reason and then that home base has filled up would you be upset? Again my prior airlines would not backfill etc. Obviously this could mean the special class that will be run for Compass pilots near the end of the year will be a whats left, of a whats left scenerio vs. a hear are the openings bid on them based on seniorty.

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I bet you think that I could not get hired by a major. Apparently, you are better then every other pilot who never interviewed with Delta. Your last statement says it all. Fact, i did not interview with Delta, not because i did not meet the standards but becasue base and quality of life have always been the most important thing for me. Therefore, i never applied to Delta as i wanted to fly for NWA and be based in MSP.

Never once compained about a certain airplane only the fact that if i am in the 2nd months class it would be nice for Compass management to let us flow per our contract and yours. Holding back can affect the base you choose based on what your seniorty in class would allow. After the last AE MSP had openings would seem reasonable to think those might be the first place filled? I do not know as we at compass have no idea as to how delta places new hires?