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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 825440)
I don't think it has any real effect on where you will end up. I think you are confusing how they make new hire assignments. They don't post all the unfilled vacancies from a new hire class and give the first class the choice of anything they want. They will pick 30 seats if the class has 30 pilots where they want the pilot to be. That typically will be a cross section of all bases with vacancies so they keep the same manning level at each base they are short. Your seniority within your class will have far more impact on what base you get then the class you are in. One other good thing is unlike many airlines Delta has no freeze for new hires. There will be ongoing bids and it should be very easy to get to MSP or DTW quickly. I think both bases will go junior to NY when the dust settles.
Thank you sailing that is 99% more information than we have received. Thank you for answer the concerns of the compass pilots. Our frustration lies first and foremost with compass management because of the lack of information. This is obviously a new adventure that has permanent ramifications and with no information to go on, it becomes very frustrating to determine. I am not sure anyone in the Compass union me included has been told that there are no seat/domicle locks until now. Again thanks |
Vikz please take a step back. You will be a dal pilot just keep your mouth shut and ride the wave. You will be home at some point and have a great career. Just remember there are poolies that should have been on the property before you. Just be greatful for the opportunity! Personally I hope things work out for everyone so join us on the humble, appreciative and waiting train.
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 825447)
I have a question about the flow through. In the future, do new hires applying to Compass interview with DAL or Compass? Does DAL ever get a say in who is being hired or flowed through?
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VIKZ09,
I understand your concern with being held back and I would be a little irked about it also if I had a chance to get what I wanted but lost that chance due to CPS managment holding me back. I get that. When you do flow over they will come into class on day 2 with a class "drop" which will be the positions available for the class to bid. It might be all NYC 88 slots or it might be all MSP 7ER slots. Whatever the Widget wants that morning will be your choice. You will bid on those positions based on seniority determined by your SS #. What you get will be what you will train on initially and you are NOT seatlocked for that assignment. If a bid comes out the next day at noon, you are free to bid anything open on that bid that your seniority can hold and you will go to training and be converted based on the workings of the Advance/Entitlement (AE) process. When we are actively hiring you can expect to see probably around 4 AE bids per year. If you don't get MSP 88 in class, by the looks of the last bid you will probably be able to bid it and be converted to that category well before your one year mark. If your luck runs out and we stop hiring the day you are hired, then you might see 2 bids per year and you'll probably be stuck with what you get in class or be displaced to NYC. The good thing you have going for you is you will be getting CPS captain pay for 90 days AND be gaining seniority. If I could have done that 3 years ago when I came over, I would have been all over it. And Vikz, welcome to mainline hope to see you on the line. |
Originally Posted by NWAPoolie
(Post 825455)
Vikz please take a step back. You will be a dal pilot just keep your mouth shut and ride the wave. You will be home at some point and have a great career. Just remember there are poolies that should have been on the property before you. Just be greatful for the opportunity! Personally I hope things work out for everyone so join us on the humble, appreciative and waiting train.
That's great advice. Well said. |
Originally Posted by Vikz09
(Post 825376)
I am sure you guys are right however, we have no idea as to your contract language when it comes to seat lock, domicle assignement, etc. I come on this forum to see how it works because we have no information at compass. I figured based on information i have seen here that msp and jfk were what had openings that were not filled? That be said is that correct or wrong?
I have continued to work with in our union from day 1 and nobody has any answers. It concerns me when you hear the answer to your question as " i am not sure but I think" New hires do not have any seat locks on their initial assignment. They are eligible to take part in advanced entitlements as soon as they have their initial assignment. Once you get an advanced entitlement, you will then have a seat lock, so bid carefully and don't be impatient, the next bid might have what you really want. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by NWAPoolie
(Post 825455)
Vikz please take a step back. You will be a dal pilot just keep your mouth shut and ride the wave. You will be home at some point and have a great career. Just remember there are poolies that should have been on the property before you. Just be greatful for the opportunity! Personally I hope things work out for everyone so join us on the humble, appreciative and waiting train.
agree with much of what you saying. However you make it sound that cpz guys would not have received interviews or been hired by NWA if it had been in place when we went to compass. The top 60 pilots at Cpz were never afforded the opportunity to interview at NWA because they were not planning on hiring. The original Cpz interview was the NWA interview. NWA pilots, hr, medical and sim. Funny thing happend in the summer of 07' the person in charge of staffing for NWA screwed up and they needed to immediately hire 150 pilots. They also needed the pilots at compass who had already been typed and hired as captain/check airman. You think they were going to take us from Compass? Note the same individual who screwed up the pilot staffing at NWA is now the CEO of Compass... see a pattern here? I have no doubt that many of these 60 pilots would have waited to be hired if we had knowen that NWA would be hiring in 2 months. I also know guys who i tried to help get interviews at Compass that did not initially have the criteria to be selected for interviews at Compass (top 60). Three of those individuals went on to be part of the 150 hired by NWA in summer/fall of 07'. Kind of funny how some things work out, good for them. |
Originally Posted by Vikz09
(Post 825446)
You are right commuting is always something that will be a issue in this industry. However, this is not my first rodeo and i have been displaced 6 times actually and been forced to commute across country. Just about everyone of the top 60 pilots at Compass came to Compass because we lived near base and were sick of our old airlines and the commute. That's why i may seem a little sensative about it. My point being that being held back by compass most likely mean a commute where if they let us go in our scheduled order we would have a better chance of this msp base.
I don't expect anyone at Delta to care about me. However, It upsets me that Compass management has blanketed all flows to be held back for 90 days. My issues on this subject are for those of us affected by the hold back and of course i am one of them. Nothing personal to those of you at Delta who have gone thru these furloughs, displacements, etc., but your also not the only one's. I undestand how the seniorty issue works. I will get the seniorty that is afforded by the flow not asking for anything more or less. My issues is with being held back as a benefit to compass management and it possibly costing me QOL with a MSP base. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 825486)
Well, it has been several hundred years since I was a new hire, but it works like this. (I am pretty sure, sorry but I have to weasel out a little) Delta will make a block of positions available to each class and you will bid on them by seniority. If you get held back by Compass you will get your seniority number on the date you would have started class, but for the hold back. That means you will be the most senior pilot in your new hire class and get your first choice. It is difficult to tell what spots are open, even from the advanced entitlements, because if contingency bids are unfilled due to lack of bidders, they will also be open to new hires. If a position you wanted is available to the next class, then it is tough luck until they post an entitlement.
New hires do not have any seat locks on their initial assignment. They are eligible to take part in advanced entitlements as soon as they have their initial assignment. Once you get an advanced entitlement, you will then have a seat lock, so bid carefully and don't be impatient, the next bid might have what you really want. Good luck. I still think these hold backs are going to be a headache for the Delta staffing and training departments. The individual who is responsible for holding us back at compass has a track record of staffing issues. Former NWA guys will know him from his days of staffing at NWA |
VIKZ you are probably a pretty smart fellow. If you are half as smart as you think you are, you will stop all of your griping and lay low for awhile. There are about 15,000 guys that would like to be in the position that you find yourself in. You aren`t even on the property yet and are already *****ing. Do your self a favor and knock it off.
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