Here is my wild guess at what happened at Council 66 meeting the other day.
MEC doesn't like all this hubbub about Compass and being told to look into and study this issue and report back to Pilot group their findings. The audacity of any Pilot member telling/ demanding anything from any LEC or MEC is beyond comprehension. I mean don't we all know how more in tune these guys are with what we "REALLY" need? So here is a scenario for you to think about.
MEC member calls a friend from Pilot training back in the day in PNS and says:

"Hey I was wondering if at the next meeeting in NY you would mind helping me out. We've got this Compass thing to worry about and I just do not see how we can adequately represent these Compass boys and ourselves at the same time without falling into a DFR lawsuit. How about you introduce a motion that will tell the MEC to look into seperating Compass from Delta. You should not have that much resistance to the motion in NY because most of the guys commute to work, a junior guy is not going to commute up on his day off for a meeting when he gets min days anyway, and the reminder for the meeting just went out last week via email so everyone already probably has plans. The only people at the meeting will be those working that day and it would go against every grain in their Delta Pilot body to argue a motion in public against a senior guy like yourself. The motion will then pass and be of great asistance to us all in the long run. Trust ME."

Now you can all rail against me but this is pure speculation on my part that is fine. But if I were a betting man I would give you 5 to 2 odds that this scenario or something very similiar happened. This hampers any work to be done on further study of this issue by the MEC until this resolution is now addressed by the entire MEC. The DALPA MEC leadership as a whole has zero vested interest in putting any resources or negoitiation money into developing a comprehensive strategy to deal with scope at this airline. They will continue to follow the advice of Management and believe that the interest of this pilot group must be in sync with the demands and needs of our Airline Management.

Please see my previous post on Scope in another thread to see why I think that it will be several years before anything is done about scope. Unless the leadership is changed or those in union leadership positions start paying attention to the needs of the bottom half of the Pilot group at Delta nothing will effectively change.

Write your reps and tell them how you feel. Tell the rep you want your written position on the scope topic to be included in the minutes of the meeting. Find someone who is going to be there and find out what is neccessary for a proxy. Proxy your vote with them and include in your proxy your position on any and all items that are part of "old and New business" at the LEC meeting. It makes ithings difficult for LEC members to deny discussion of a topic when it is included in the minutes.

Clean those rifles and sharpen those bayonets boys, it's time to hit the beach and go to war. :mad:

This is EXACTLY the point that I've been making.

A move to divest Compass is needed to help make them an asset that can be sold (probably to a non-ALPA operator). Kicking them out of the family is the first step in packaging them up. Their "lifer" who raised the representational issue has already indicated he wants the flow to go away and he will get what he wants. Then they will "me too" Comair's objection to LOA 2006-10 and the divorce will be final. (He say ALPA screwed him again when he ends up at the bottom of a list of Teamsters pilots.)

What will happen when Compass negotiates their first contract, when most pilots have not been there three years and most think they are leaving in less than two? What incentive do they have to raise the bar? Worse, what ability do a bunch of nearly new ALPA politicians who represent a small number of pilots have to raise the bar?

Divesting Compass is just stupid and I mean really dumb. It is contrary to everything a union is supposed to stand for.

Worse yet, we will have fully outsourced a "mainline" aircraft and jobs that were to be placeholders for Northwest pilots. Those who argue it will cost too much to get it back MUST understand that it is a self fulfilling prophesy when you outsource a aircraft with 737-700 like capabilities. After all that airplane is Southwest Airlines entire flippin fleet!

Maybe the weight limit at Republic / Shuttle is going up because once Compass is divested, they will in some way become indistinguishable.

Someone needs to post the name of the Compass pilot who started this representational debate. When the history of our association's failure is written, he deserves a sentence, or two - seriously.

The Compass pilot who supposidly is putting up resistance is a former ATA pilot who spent 20 plus years there and feels like he was burned. I do know the person is based in DTW.

The major heartburn is there maybe 1 but less then 5 guys who want there own MEC at Compass. It certainly is a minority so why listen to them. The vast majority want the status quo, like 98 percent to 2 percent and somehow the 2 percent is going to be listened too. What a crock of BS. No way would Moak listen to 2 percent and of a pilot groups wants/needs and push for that 2 percent. He has a bigger agenda and keeping Compass MEC representation is not one of them.

He's listening to 2% of the group here at DAL right now regarding this issue. Like politics, the minority is running the system while the majority is silently sitting back and being trampled.

This was my thinking exactly. There is an old saying that I was told a long time ago that is very appropo right now "be aware of the law of unintended consequences".

Yeah I tend to agree with you. However there has been a large contingent from Compass who have made are feelings very clear with regards to staying with in the MEC and he is turning a Deaf Ear to our side. The guy is not representing the will of the majority and unfortunatly we at compass can contact our reps until we are blue in the face. This is not good for ALPA. At what point does ALPA national step in and tell Moak "you are giving us at ALPA a bad name by not listening to the majority" This is what causes ALPA to be given a bad name and voted off property.

How does it reflect if the pilot has sweat running down his face? Common sense would say to take it off. I think most normal people would take their coat or hat off if they got too hot. As for the tie, I don't think pilots for CAL out in guam have to wear a tie. :)

As has been stated before by others, the industry is in turmoil with the economy and assault on our standard of living, why anyone cares about a hat rule is insane. If your company requires it, wear it. If not, don't. There's much bigger things to worry about right now.

If it's too hot, take your hat off. If not, wear it, unless you don't want to. I think the Delta FOM says the "Aircraft Commander" (I still have to get used to that term) is the hat and unform enforcer.

Now, as the Soup Nazi said.... "Next!" :)

SelCall that is the way that I see it,

FWIW, I stopped a Shuttle America guy today in ATL and asked to see the memo first hand. He was glad to show me the POH (Dash 1) Revision. I could not get to a copy machine, but it is real. They have a yellow colored revision that is about three pages long that goes in to effect April 1. If there are any RAH guys on here that would not mind sending me this memo/revision, PM me.