Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-12-2011 | 01:56 PM
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The problem with the process is once a TA is published - that section has already been agreed to...as a whole. My experience, in then making an argument regarding it's weaknesses/concessions, is that the MEC Administration and the Negotiating Committee will tell you it is bad policy to go back and seek changes to the TA - even small changes. They will tell you it diminishes their credibililty.
Also, since it is TA'd as a whole, when the pilot groups identifies the individual weaknesses/give-backs/concessions - things that will negatively affect quality of life - because they are already in the TA, they are impossible to change at that point.
I remember arguing against some concessions in the C2K Scheduling section at a roadshow and was put down by JM. These seem like little items when picked apart individually - but they all add up. For example, one of the concerns I argued was how the changes in the reserve scheduling would end up increasing short call days - which indeed they did.
Again, since each contract section is TA'd as a whole, it becomes too late to argue against individual concessions, that together significantly degrade QOL. The TA as a whole must be rejected - which has proven almost impossible to do.
Also, since it is TA'd as a whole, when the pilot groups identifies the individual weaknesses/give-backs/concessions - things that will negatively affect quality of life - because they are already in the TA, they are impossible to change at that point.
I remember arguing against some concessions in the C2K Scheduling section at a roadshow and was put down by JM. These seem like little items when picked apart individually - but they all add up. For example, one of the concerns I argued was how the changes in the reserve scheduling would end up increasing short call days - which indeed they did.
Again, since each contract section is TA'd as a whole, it becomes too late to argue against individual concessions, that together significantly degrade QOL. The TA as a whole must be rejected - which has proven almost impossible to do.
This also underscores the need for your Reps to provide the direction *you* want to the negotiating committee, and not to let a marginal TA out for a MEMRAT as happened with the complete failure to exercise LEC leadership with the Ch11 NWA TA.
It is also a good example of why, provided you have have a high level of trust in your MEC leadership, of why MEMRAT does not always net you the best contract.
03-12-2011 | 01:57 PM
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MELTDOWN MAY BE UNDERWAY AT FUKUSHIMA NUCLEAR POWER REACTOR
I hope our people can GTFO of NRT ASAP.
I didn't think the Japan disaster could get any worse, but if CNN changes their caption from "Earthquake Tsunami Disaster" to "Nuclear Disaster" ... it will be WAY worse.
03-12-2011 | 02:10 PM
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Pilots are 6 tfp if not used and 6.5 if used. With the right rigs and work rules I would vote for a 0% increase to Dal rates. You get more money and better qol at the same time and make it a lot harder for the me too crowd.
If you like dehead only days, 33 hour domestic layovers, productivity sits, and roations spread out so there is 1 minute of credit time you can disregard all the above.
If you like dehead only days, 33 hour domestic layovers, productivity sits, and roations spread out so there is 1 minute of credit time you can disregard all the above.
03-12-2011 | 02:22 PM
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I don't like "dehead only days, 33 hour domestic layovers, productivity sits, and rotations spread out so there is 1 minute of credit time"... but I could learn to like them for $100k more in my W-2. What I would really like to see would be some work rule improvements to minimize those kinds of things along with a significant pay restoration and improvements to scope. But sorry, I can't go along with continuing to make bankruptcy/emergency pay just so I can eliminate some irritating and frustrating aspects of our work life. And if you think changing some work rules is going to result in any significant amount of bottom line restoration, well I'd like to know how you think it is going to do that (and what you are smoking).
03-12-2011 | 02:24 PM
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BREAKING NEWS
MELTDOWN MAY BE UNDERWAY AT FUKUSHIMA NUCLEAR POWER REACTOR
I hope our people can GTFO of NRT ASAP.
I didn't think the Japan disaster could get any worse, but if CNN changes their caption from "Earthquake Tsunami Disaster" to "Nuclear Disaster" ... it will be WAY worse.
MELTDOWN MAY BE UNDERWAY AT FUKUSHIMA NUCLEAR POWER REACTOR
I hope our people can GTFO of NRT ASAP.
I didn't think the Japan disaster could get any worse, but if CNN changes their caption from "Earthquake Tsunami Disaster" to "Nuclear Disaster" ... it will be WAY worse.
03-12-2011 | 02:37 PM
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Money has a direct bearing on QOL. Look, I'm not saying that QOL/work rules are not important. By all means, they are. But try to keep it in perspective. Would you REALLY rather improve our current work rules (which by the way, was one of ALPA's biggest selling points for our BK agreement... remember, "but at least we saved the work rules?") and keep our BK/emergency pay where it is? I just cannot believe any significant number of us would want that.
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03-12-2011 | 02:48 PM
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Money has a direct bearing on QOL. Look, I'm not saying that QOL/work rules are not important. By all means, they are. But try to keep it in perspective. Would you REALLY rather improve our current work rules (which by the way, was one of the biggest selling points for our BK agreement... remember, "but at least we saved the work rules?") and keep our BK/emergency pay where it is? I just cannot believe any significant number of us would want that.
03-12-2011 | 02:53 PM
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Pay starts at sign in and stops at the hotel. Min day of 6.5. That would drive trip construction that minimize sits and and long layovers. Better reserve rules, heck just some rules would be nice. Implement those and I'd be happy with the current rates and scheduled raises. I bet those would put more in your W2 and give you more days home than big rate raises.
03-12-2011 | 02:57 PM
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Money has a direct bearing on QOL. Look, I'm not saying that QOL/work rules are not important. By all means, they are. But try to keep it in perspective. Would you REALLY rather improve our current work rules (which by the way, was one of the biggest selling points for our BK agreement... remember, "but at least we saved the work rules?") and keep our BK/emergency pay where it is? I just cannot believe any significant number of us would want that.
That being said, I don't see how $$$ has direct bearing on QOL. If someone is living beyond their means, then perhaps more money would makes things easier. However, it's likely that if one lives outside of their means at a lower salary they will likely live outside their means with a higher salary as well.
For me, QOL is max productivity while I'm at work so I can minimize time away from my family. I dont want C2K rates plus inflation/COLA if there aren't improvements made to the work rules/vacation/Sec 23G etc.
03-12-2011 | 03:02 PM
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We should get one hour pre-flight pay plus 1/2 hour post-flight pay plus schedule or actual for every day of a rotation.
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