She wants me. I can just tell.

Carl

I know I'm jumping into this late and I agree we deserve and should rightfully fight for these improvements, everyone must realize that these are MASSIVE increases in our contract and will be very difficult to attain. Again, I agree with asking for and fighting like hell to get them, but it will be a huge fight to get those kinds of increases. To highlight the "problem"; I think Delta made 1.4 billion in 2010, a very nice year. I suspect these improvements you list would increase pilot costs by at least that much or maybe more! Now how about getting these increases during flat years or money losing years??? Again, not disagreeing with you, just illustrating how far we have to go for restoration or achieving SWA pay. A HUGE undertaking

Let's keep the math simple.

Average CAPT pay: $160,000
Average FO pay: $100,000

Average pilot pay (same # CAPT's and FO's): $130,000

A 30% increase would cost $130,000 x 12,000 x 0.30 = $466M annual increase for the company. They can afford it...let's make it so.

The guy you don't like (really don't like?) who no one else really likes on APC is now your primary source for an endorsement of a law firm that you know the both of us should be wary about. It's now convenient to use that 10 year old proof to support your thesis?

Honestly? A ten year old note from a guy no one really likes from a group that no longer uses them. I didn't even ask why they moved on if Seham is so great and being independent is so wonderful?

The ALPA LM-2 (your group keeps making me read that evidence) shows that many ALPA groups hire and retain outside counsel. Since none has retained Seham, I'd say they were effectively fired. No?

Who said anything about lying? Oh right, you did.

Seham is lucky to find another angry group of pilots that they can raid and carve out for themselves. If you decertify all the ALPA groups and take over representation, don't you get the same money ALPA had? Why wouldn't they want to keep carving off airlines?

Speaking of lawyers...

What part of exclusive representation involves half a dozen different areas of law?What really concerns me when I read about generosity is that somewhere there is probably a group like the McCormick Advisory Group that helped bankroll The AMFA Mistake not to mention the PFAA and others.

Two emails in a row asking for donations to help them as they "have invested significant dollars in equipment, services and facilities." What happens when they run out of money? Is there a shadow group funding this operation? I don't want another AMFA here. You and I have been through that dance before. Chinese mechanics could easily be Chinese pilots this time.

Actually, Delta paid off 2 Billion in debt invested 1.3 Billion in capital improvements and had a 1.4 Billion profit last year.

Shiz,

What's the source? You could save everybody a lot of time and grief!:D

Precisely! They are being aggressive about paying debt down which is smart. They also need to be aggressive about paying their pilots substantially higher than bankruptcy wages.

If you read the balance sheet/annual report carefully there are many ways to reduce the profit and keep the cash/assets growing. Prepaying on aircraft/engine parts inventory is one of many.

If it is made a priority the company can afford a sizable bump in pay to their pilots (those who have fuel, brakes, on time schedules, etc in their hands) while remaining viable.

RE "we are poor, the sky is falling" don't believe the hype. This broken record needs to be pulled from the playlist.

We're not going down the "hiding money" path again, are we?:rolleyes:

I don't even bother anymore with the norton oor whatever. They slow down the computer as much as a virus and don't catch the bad stuff.

Not worth the time or the money.

Why not, we seem to rehash everything else over and over. I wouldn't be surprised by anything when it comes to financial statements, after all how much profit did GE make and how much did they pay in taxes?