Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-22-2011 | 04:25 AM
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Since everyone is talking about contract items that cause staffing reductions, here is my prediction for an item in the management opener and why many pilots won't realize/care about the immediate and future job losses it can cause.
Virtual Basing a.k.a. Satellite Basing (fNW).
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Benefits to company: Money saved on infrastructure/rent. (See Commercial Real Estate listings in CVG and MSP)
Fewer CPOs (see above) and fewer CPs (reduce number of seniority list management pilots required) Reduce admin jobs (fewer CPOs)
Reduction in pilot staffing
The amount depends on how the language is written.
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One of the last proposals by fNW would have allowed satellite basing with the following "perks" for pilots. Pilot would get positive space to and from sat base. Pilot would get company paid hotel room.
Perks for management? Pilot on call as reserve the day prior to a trip originating from sat base (not paid for reserve day). No deadhead pay to/from sat base at beginning or end of rotation(less pilot staffing required).
If you think its not a significant staffing hit, consider that once you let the camels nose in the tent (think the first time we granted 50 seat RJ relief or first agreement to codeshare with ALK), further erosion will be on the table at every contract negotiation that follows. How about sat bases at NRT and AMS? How about DFW, CVG, MEM and SEA? Maybe we can just have one master base in ATL, one CPO in ATL and we can move pilots around the system by paying their hotel rooms instead of deadhead pay.
Some will think this is a great deal because it MAY end their commuting problems and will want to try it on for size.
I predict this is already in the management opener waiting to be presented
I prefer to slap the camel's nose to keep it out of the tent and then secure and patch up the existing leaks.
End rant.
Virtual Basing a.k.a. Satellite Basing (fNW).
==================================================
Benefits to company: Money saved on infrastructure/rent. (See Commercial Real Estate listings in CVG and MSP)
Fewer CPOs (see above) and fewer CPs (reduce number of seniority list management pilots required) Reduce admin jobs (fewer CPOs)
Reduction in pilot staffing
The amount depends on how the language is written.
==================================================
One of the last proposals by fNW would have allowed satellite basing with the following "perks" for pilots. Pilot would get positive space to and from sat base. Pilot would get company paid hotel room.
Perks for management? Pilot on call as reserve the day prior to a trip originating from sat base (not paid for reserve day). No deadhead pay to/from sat base at beginning or end of rotation(less pilot staffing required).
If you think its not a significant staffing hit, consider that once you let the camels nose in the tent (think the first time we granted 50 seat RJ relief or first agreement to codeshare with ALK), further erosion will be on the table at every contract negotiation that follows. How about sat bases at NRT and AMS? How about DFW, CVG, MEM and SEA? Maybe we can just have one master base in ATL, one CPO in ATL and we can move pilots around the system by paying their hotel rooms instead of deadhead pay.
Some will think this is a great deal because it MAY end their commuting problems and will want to try it on for size.
I predict this is already in the management opener waiting to be presented
I prefer to slap the camel's nose to keep it out of the tent and then secure and patch up the existing leaks.
End rant.
The way that World does home basing is this:
There is a paper base: MCI
Every trip starts with a airline trip to somewhere. They deduct the difference in the location that someone is actually DHed to versus a DH from their home city and MCI.
Also, they require at least two airlines serve an airport within two hours of your home. They have to be Class I or II airlines as well. (Majors or Regionals)
Works for them due to their long trips, and the fact that they are always paid trip rig versus actual.
Still debating how it well it would work with domestic trips. I know that there was a push for this sort of set up a few years back, but it got shot down.
09-22-2011 | 04:32 AM
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Trip parking definitely contributed to the "surplus" we had on the 777 this last AE.
How could it not?
Management loves it and ALPA seems to as well. They even gave us that recent swap "improvement" of letting guys pick up trips that take them within 30 minutes of a FAR violation instead of the 1 hour rule we've had for years.
Gee thanks. There goes some more jobs.
How could it not?
Management loves it and ALPA seems to as well. They even gave us that recent swap "improvement" of letting guys pick up trips that take them within 30 minutes of a FAR violation instead of the 1 hour rule we've had for years.
Gee thanks. There goes some more jobs.
We have gone though at least a cycle and a half of data in that time to see what they truly can staff the airplane at. If guys were Trip Parking en masse it did contribute to it. I suspect it was a player.
09-22-2011 | 05:03 AM
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Shiz, you are in denial. And I think you are going to be hugely disappointed in the result. I hope I'm wrong and you are right. I really do. But I don't think that's going to turn out to be the case.
Tell you what... If our opener is for full restoration (C2K+COLA) with significant get-backs on scope. And if we end up with C2012 with our domestic narrowbody guys averaging over $230K for Captains and over $140K for F/O's (like SWA) while at least holding the line on our current scope. If either of those things happen, the steak dinner with all the trimmings is on me. You just name the time and place!
Tell you what... If our opener is for full restoration (C2K+COLA) with significant get-backs on scope. And if we end up with C2012 with our domestic narrowbody guys averaging over $230K for Captains and over $140K for F/O's (like SWA) while at least holding the line on our current scope. If either of those things happen, the steak dinner with all the trimmings is on me. You just name the time and place!
Sadly, Rather B Fishin's line of thinking is exactly what I think we're going to ultimately see from this MEC. They just can't come out and say it in so many words right now because they would have a revolt on their hands and would likely be replaced with DPA. If they wait until we're actually into Section 6, they know it will be infinitely more difficult to replace them.
09-22-2011 | 05:10 AM
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Since I discussed ETFs earlier, I thought I would use a real world example for everyones education. None of what I am saying is investment advice or recommendations to buy or sell anything.
I will use two 3X etf sectors for the example and the reader will have to pull up his own chart to see. The ETFs are FAS and FAZ (3x financial) and TNA and TZA (3x small biz). In my earlier investment discussion, I made a statement that the market trades technically...
All you need to know today is that the S and P support level is 1120 (technically). If the S and P trades and trends significantly below that (ie 1110 and trending lower), it has broken thru. Roughly the next support level with real resistance is around an S and P of 850...what this means is pull out your parachute 'cause you're in free fall.
Frankly, if you are a savvy investor, I have given you all the information you need for your investing day. Dont be rash, dont be greedy, and none of this is advice to do anything.
I will use two 3X etf sectors for the example and the reader will have to pull up his own chart to see. The ETFs are FAS and FAZ (3x financial) and TNA and TZA (3x small biz). In my earlier investment discussion, I made a statement that the market trades technically...
All you need to know today is that the S and P support level is 1120 (technically). If the S and P trades and trends significantly below that (ie 1110 and trending lower), it has broken thru. Roughly the next support level with real resistance is around an S and P of 850...what this means is pull out your parachute 'cause you're in free fall.
Frankly, if you are a savvy investor, I have given you all the information you need for your investing day. Dont be rash, dont be greedy, and none of this is advice to do anything.
09-22-2011 | 05:28 AM
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Since I discussed ETFs earlier, I thought I would use a real world example for everyones education. None of what I am saying is investment advice or recommendations to buy or sell anything.
I will use two 3X etf sectors for the example and the reader will have to pull up his own chart to see. The ETFs are FAS and FAZ (3x financial) and TNA and TZA (3x small biz). In my earlier investment discussion, I made a statement that the market trades technically...
All you need to know today is that the S and P support level is 1120 (technically). If the S and P trades and trends significantly below that (ie 1110 and trending lower), it has broken thru. Roughly the next support level with real resistance is around an S and P of 850...what this means is pull out your parachute 'cause you're in free fall.
Frankly, if you are a savvy investor, I have given you all the information you need for your investing day. Dont be rash, dont be greedy, and none of this is advice to do anything.
I will use two 3X etf sectors for the example and the reader will have to pull up his own chart to see. The ETFs are FAS and FAZ (3x financial) and TNA and TZA (3x small biz). In my earlier investment discussion, I made a statement that the market trades technically...
All you need to know today is that the S and P support level is 1120 (technically). If the S and P trades and trends significantly below that (ie 1110 and trending lower), it has broken thru. Roughly the next support level with real resistance is around an S and P of 850...what this means is pull out your parachute 'cause you're in free fall.
Frankly, if you are a savvy investor, I have given you all the information you need for your investing day. Dont be rash, dont be greedy, and none of this is advice to do anything.
09-22-2011 | 05:34 AM
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But, just maybe, I don't meet the definition of savvy. Hmmm...
09-22-2011 | 05:46 AM
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Boomer, I thought I was to the point, but you are able to say in fewer words exactly what I said.
How come you're not at DAL?
09-22-2011 | 05:52 AM
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09-22-2011 | 06:00 AM
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Trip parking definitely contributed to the "surplus" we had on the 777 this last AE.
How could it not?
Management loves it and ALPA seems to as well. They even gave us that recent swap "improvement" of letting guys pick up trips that take them within 30 minutes of a FAR violation instead of the 1 hour rule we've had for years.
Gee thanks. There goes some more jobs.
How could it not?
Management loves it and ALPA seems to as well. They even gave us that recent swap "improvement" of letting guys pick up trips that take them within 30 minutes of a FAR violation instead of the 1 hour rule we've had for years.
Gee thanks. There goes some more jobs.
I know of cases where a guy could white slip a trip that brought him to 29.20 within seven days...but that same guy could not pick up that same trip on the swap board due to the 1 hour buffer we previously had.
Likewise there are now some PBS bid awards that will be honored that otherwise would not have been. Do you really want to tell a guy "gee, I know that you bid for Trip A followed by Trip B, and prior to this change you would not have gotten them (due to being say within 45 min of 30/7) but even though now you have been awarded just what you wanted..l.I don't think that that is a good idea. I think we should go back to the way things were, with less flexibility and less opportunities for PBS to give you even more of what you want."
Also, keep in mind that bringing PBS and the Swapboard to within 30 minutes of FAR limits is something the company was very hesitant to do--they don't like the possibility of potential FAR-related trip disruptions. I figure if the company was hesitant about it, then it must be a net positive for the pilots.
In any case, this is all being done on a test basis. If the company doesn't like it, they will be free to mandate that we go back to the earlier 1 hour limits. This is actually a case of the company tolerating less "certainty" in order for the pilot group to be a bit happier. I hope we benefit from it.
09-22-2011 | 06:43 AM
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Since I discussed ETFs earlier, I thought I would use a real world example for everyones education. None of what I am saying is investment advice or recommendations to buy or sell anything.
I will use two 3X etf sectors for the example and the reader will have to pull up his own chart to see. The ETFs are FAS and FAZ (3x financial) and TNA and TZA (3x small biz). In my earlier investment discussion, I made a statement that the market trades technically...
All you need to know today is that the S and P support level is 1120 (technically). If the S and P trades and trends significantly below that (ie 1110 and trending lower), it has broken thru. Roughly the next support level with real resistance is around an S and P of 850...what this means is pull out your parachute 'cause you're in free fall.
Frankly, if you are a savvy investor, I have given you all the information you need for your investing day. Dont be rash, dont be greedy, and none of this is advice to do anything.
I will use two 3X etf sectors for the example and the reader will have to pull up his own chart to see. The ETFs are FAS and FAZ (3x financial) and TNA and TZA (3x small biz). In my earlier investment discussion, I made a statement that the market trades technically...
All you need to know today is that the S and P support level is 1120 (technically). If the S and P trades and trends significantly below that (ie 1110 and trending lower), it has broken thru. Roughly the next support level with real resistance is around an S and P of 850...what this means is pull out your parachute 'cause you're in free fall.
Frankly, if you are a savvy investor, I have given you all the information you need for your investing day. Dont be rash, dont be greedy, and none of this is advice to do anything.
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