Hoping for a quick answer....finalizing the survey.
Question 13 asking about long term job security rank threats in order....which one of those choices is CODE SHARES? Cabotage, alter ego?
Thanks

 

First, I do get to know the people that I vote for but, they are not always elected and the person or people I "voted against" sometimes are elected. At least one of my reps does not "directly represent" me in several areas I consider priorities.

Second, I have given ALPA the benefit of the doubt and for the most part ignored the blowhards on the forums and in the cockpit. I stay informed and am fairly level headed IMO. I attend LEC meeting every time that my schedule allows me to and stay involved in the process as much as possible.

However since attending the PTC roadshow my frustration level has started to rise significantly. What was the point of all of these roadshows if all that was going to be said was "fill out your survey." DALPA spent a lot of time and resources to go out and try to NOT get us excited about the upcoming negotiations.

Now to the post you quoted above, TO'M stated at the PTC meeting that we had just met with AF/KLM and that we would not be able to put out specifics about AF/KLM contracts due to concerns they had raised but that information containing general terms would be forthcoming. (He even said it would be out last weekend most likely.) It seems obvious based on the information that Carl was able to find that we could have put out something other than "trust us."

So, after watching TO'Ms performance at the meeting and the frustration that it caused this joke of a promised contract comparison just helped raise that frustration level. Based on what was said and how everything was presented at the PTC meeting I do feel that I will be presented with an inferior contract that DALPA would be happy to live with. I did not feel that way prior to attending the meeting.

I'm sorry my post caused you to become sarcastic.

vpr

 

I respectfully disagree that it's an apples to oranges comparison in the case of our J/V partners. We are a virtually merged airline. We fly the same passengers on the same routes and share revenue. This is germane to the topic of our pay.

 

Honesty is awesome and more is needed, but some things are just better left unsaid. We have an alternate drive on property that will use anything to get more cards, a huge Section 6 coming up, and a general lack of trust in the process. With those things combined, it is smart to not make comments like the one made. As bar says, it is a political foul ball. Tim really is a great guy. I like him, I believe that he wants to fight for what the pilots want. Most just want him to show them, and again, comments like this raise the hair on a lot of people's backs, again......

A little and I mean a little crowd jeering and a few red meat comments to get the pilots' minds and hearts back in the game is what is needed now. Raising their animosity to a higher level needs to come later, but doing nothing now in light of what is going on internally, in my opinion, is not the best course of action.

Also, as I previously said, comments like the other one reported about CH11 being a reset is a little too much expectation managing this far out from a amendable date for my taste. Again, reported, so until it is backed up it is hyperbole.

 

Been answered by Gooply, and his answer was so spot on that I did not answer. I will go find his post and repost it.

 

Yep, JV's are as close as you can get to a true merger. They effectively are, except for the financial transaction.

 

Well, if you can do the math to come up with a CASM (cost per available seat mile) comparison, and IF we come out much 'cheaper' than they, and IF you can attribute all of the difference in CASM to Pilot Pay, then you might have an argument for an increase to match them, worth exploiting.

The company will come back with something along the lines of, "But it's much more expensive to live in Paris than in PTC, so they have to pay them more, and they have to pay 50% income tax, and their gubmint pays their health care..." etc.

So, to my way of thinking, it's still apples and oranges.

But in your way of thinking, what argument would you make to the company with this information?

 

Post 76700 FWIW

 

I'll leave it to the negotiators to come up with an argument, but off the cuff I'd say to them that in the same revenue environment (the JV routes), we are paid less than our colleagues.

 

Yep, no one has had the gumption to post that one.