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Old 10-30-2011 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
While I appreciate aircraft not leaving the property, is anyone else getting tired of celebrating when we don't shrink?

I mean, good grief people...look how far we've sunk....

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Well, we had already suffered the departure of 2 aircraft back to the lease holders. At least this is some good news as the departure of 747 at the top has a huge downward displacement on everyone if they leave. That being said every aircraft departure is bad because the end result seems to be an Rj replacing most of the 9 stuff. If they could fly RJs to NRT they would. That is why we must be so watchful of the almighty JV agreements.
Old 10-30-2011 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
Good news. All 16 747s to be modified with lay flats and the 2 that were going back to lease holders returning next year. Now who was it that said DAL wants out of the 4 eng business?? Scambo maybe or did I guess wrong?? .
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Old 10-30-2011 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jabwmu
Correct. I just went back on reserve this month and had to do the same. You probably won't get any short call for your last day either. Only worked one 5 day this month on Dtw320b, seems kinda slow.
Originally Posted by Check Essential
johnso-
You are pretty much correct. However, since you're a reserve in NOV don't forget the required schedule check after you block in from that trip. They always have that one last shot at reserves at the end of every trip before you are truly "released". They could have cancelled or modified your rest, or assigned you short call or another trip immediately after your rest. etc. etc. Not likely, but possible.

Assuming you check your schedule and they haven't done any of that, then you have no responsibility to answer the phone or check your schedule during the 24 hour rest. You just go on long call at the end of it. The usual 12 hour leash.
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Old 10-30-2011 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
It's called belly freight.
Not sure if Carl appreciates the implication.
Old 10-30-2011 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
Where was this posted?
This was published in the 744 news that Steve Hanlon puts out......
Old 10-30-2011 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I need a reserve refresher course. I transition from a line to reserve with a 5 day that spills into November. Two reserve days immediately follow my 5 day. Due to no 24 hour layover on the trip I have been assigned a 24 hr rest period starting at release time from the rotation.
Why do they need to give you the 24 hour rest?
Old 10-30-2011 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
Why do they need to give you the 24 hour rest?
Can't be on duty 7 days in a row.
Old 10-30-2011 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
First, very bad sign that the union has to extend the deadline...seriously? Second, we are a cash business...let's break our pay paradigm and get a per cent of the gross. Let's be a true cost of doing business like all the other vendors (boeing, airbus, ge, catering, etc.).

Now as far as the survey, from a 24yr 767 captain:

1. Significant reduction in scoped out flying, without it nothing else matters.

2. 40% day one. 5%/yr til next contract is signed.

3. 6hr/calendar day for all work events. i.e. fly, dh only day, suit up pay, layover only day, initial qual, cq, vacation day, everything is 6hr/calendar day!

4. 75hr guarantee reg/res.

5. Reg/res get paid the same on same rotation.

6. Return seniority to res. If it requires more pilots, so be it.

7. 23k goes to bottom of 23n & 23o coverage ladders. Also, must return within 4hrs domestic/ 6hrs int'l or midnight, whichever is EARLIER.

8. 401k filled to 415c limits by the company. In addition, for every dollar that goes in the north retirement fund for the select few, a dollar goes into a fund for the north/south guys that are not a part of this benefit.

9. Sick leave/ disability back to C2K.

10. Medical/Dental premiums/co-pays greatly reduced.

11. Eliminate agency shop...a line puke's only way to maintain a true check & balance on the union.

12. Stop signing NDAs...we are a public company...most information is readily availabe...NDAs promote the "trust me, I've got a secret, but I can't tell you" that greatly increases the mistrust from the line.

13. The union must stop accepting pay from the company...complete conflict of interest...I will gladly pay dues to cover our costs.

I am willing to massage these a "little", but not much.

These are my thoughts...not a personal attack on anyone/anything.

Good luck to us all.
Not that I don't agree with getting some/all of this, but what you list is probably well "north" of 1 to 1.5 billion a year in added pilot costs. VERY difficult proposition, especially with the fractured(donut) pilot group we have!

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Old 10-30-2011 | 05:20 PM
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Old 10-30-2011 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
johnso-
You are pretty much correct. However, since you're a reserve in NOV don't forget the required schedule check after you block in from that trip. They always have that one last shot at reserves at the end of every trip before you are truly "released". They could have cancelled or modified your rest, or assigned you short call or another trip immediately after your rest. etc. etc. Not likely, but possible.

Assuming you check your schedule and they haven't done any of that, then you have no responsibility to answer the phone or check your schedule during the 24 hour rest. You just go on long call at the end of it. The usual 12 hour leash.
Are you sure about not having to check your schedule during the 24hr rest? Just trying to get my own clarification too.

This is from the When Scheduling Calls document...
The last non-fly day check is not required on a day in which the pilot:
a. Is on vacation.
b. Performs, or is scheduled to perform, flying for the company.
c. Participates in training, including travel days.
d. Is removed from his scheduled rotation for company
convenience.
e. Is on company business.
f. Performs an SLI duty period, including a fl ex day.
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