Gloopy

That is just a self-serving rationalization to work with management to put your competition, and incidentally your union brothers, out of business. I was on the EAL BOS strike committee and I don't remember anyone there asking Delta's pilots to work extra to put us out of business and work. How'd you like JB adding sections if you go out? Perhaps, UAL could add extra sections out of Atlanta.

If your theory held water, SW coming into ATL should help your upcoming negotiations.

GF

I agree, some of the JV contracts that provide for a sharing of revenue, could almost be a form of a modern day mutual aid pact that was eliminated in 1975. I believe that the contracts allow an up-guage of equipment...don't know about the frequency.

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10-29-2011 | 10:02 PM

#79032

80ktsClamp

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From: Poodle Whisperer

Quote:

Originally Posted by JABDIP

Good news. All 16 747s to be modified with lay flats and the 2 that were going back to lease holders returning next year. Now who was it that said DAL wants out of the 4 eng business?? Scambo maybe or did I guess wrong?? .

Love it!

10-29-2011 | 10:39 PM

#79033

iceman49

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10-29-2011 | 10:51 PM

#79034

georgetg

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From: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift

Quote:

...in the event of a strike would prevent our airlines from requiring pilots to perform the work normally done by pilots of the other airline...

Quote:

...refrain from performing the work normally done by the pilots of the other airline...

Better watch out...

Cheers
George

10-30-2011 | 03:44 AM

#79035

DeadHead

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Quote:

Originally Posted by georgetg

Better watch out...

Cheers
George

Sorry to dumb things down here, but DAL pilots potentially be used to fly struck work?

I'm just curious here, personally I think struck work is struck work, regardless of union. Does our contract allow, or protect us from refusing, flying that would normally be flown by our codeshare/JV partners when said partners are on strike?

I'm sure there is a technicality in how struck work is defined, but I don't think it would bode well to have the DAL pilot group picking up flying that is considered struck.

10-30-2011 | 03:48 AM

#79036

johnso29

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From: B757/767

I need a reserve refresher course. I transition from a line to reserve with a 5 day that spills into November. Two reserve days immediately follow my 5 day. Due to no 24 hour layover on the trip I have been assigned a 24 hr rest period starting at release time from the rotation.

When does my long call leash start? At the end of my rest?

Thanks in advance.

10-30-2011 | 05:30 AM

#79037

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadHead

It depends. I'll fly over Emirates in a heartbeat.

Fire away!

10-30-2011 | 05:49 AM

#79038

Fly4hire

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From: Left, left, left right left....

Quote:

Originally Posted by gloopy

I know I said it, and long term I still think its a given. Its great we're not dumping the 2 whales right now, but unless we order the -800 (unlikely) or the 380 (not going to happen) I just don't see us keeping barely over a dozen -400's long term against the more efficient 4 engine planes coming online. Especially when our government subsidizes foreign airlines over us to get the very expensive planes. We'll see.

It's called belly freight. Ask some questions of informed contacts on revenue (vs. pax) generated from above, and capability of same for 744 vs. 777.
There are some 744 routes where the pax are just gravy.

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10-30-2011 | 05:59 AM

#79039

N9373M

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From: 127.0.0.1

My Ditke of IT - apoligies to Boelcke

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

Here's how a hacker can do it using Wifi. Also, not every connection a person makes with their smartphone or computer is secure which makes it even easier.

+1

Anytime your build a road (network) to your data, someone will release/figure/stumble upon out a way to get to it.

73M 25+ year computer guy

10-30-2011 | 07:47 AM

#79040

gloopy

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From: window seat

Quote:

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer

Well when DL was effected by the Comair strike, the Comair strike committee and ALPA defined struck work as additional frequency and/or gauge within the Delta system. Competing airlines were encouraged to hub raid CVG (and anywhere else in the DL system) with as much additional capacity as they wanted to, provided it wasn't affiliated with DL.

The point of a strike is to bleed your airline/holding company out to force the issues at hand. Its not to punish the traveling public just for the sake of itself. If one airline can't manage their labor relations, let the pax go to one that does.

And yes, SWA in ATL is, by far, the single biggest and best thing that could have happened to the DL pilot group by another company. Our biggest domestic competitor in our biggest and most crucial hub is about to see its costs absolutely soar, and we were competing VERY well against them before anyway. As negotations near, nothing is better than SWA in ATL to help us make the case to the NMB that SWA plus reasonable premiums in all areas is fair, reasonable and profitable as long as management does their part in running an airline and winning customers (as opposed to flailing around in some MBA fantasy land global outsource frenzy virtual airline portfolio travel agency nonsense).