I have been assigned rest for 24/7 in the ER category a few times. I think you got some bad info.

MY income towards MY dues for "MY" union. In this case, yes. It is about ME.

TheTriColor Could not agree more! It's funny to see them play "nice nice" when they want something, but as soon as you do something or ask for something that is seen as an inconvenience to them, the real attitude comes out.


JUST like management! :mad:

But are you sitting reserve in PA for LGA/JFK though?

Forgive my grammar as it was a bit off but the idea was specifically for short call.

See to me it would be just as fair for someone sitting SC in NJ to be transported to JFK/LGA from EWR as it would be for the reverse.

Because I'm not trying to end the fun PA/NJ guys have with EWR but I'm focused on all of those being displaced from MEM into NYC and then sooner or later CVG to NYC and in the meanwhile from any other base to NYC to make room for all of the displacements.

Or how about this - how about we add a stipend for NYC based RESERVE crews, no?

I don't think that's unfair. Because where should a NYC pilot sit SC reserve? Should they be near JFK/LGA where a vast majority of their flights will originate and end or EWR? Because if they have cover both then if you sit at one and have to travel to the other it will be time consuming and expensive to cross the verrazanno bridge. I mean let's be honest, the city is the best place for them to sit reserve but if it's too expensive for Delta it's too expensive for those employed by Delta.

So there, option C: A stipend for NYC reserve pilots. $1000/mo? You want to be NYC centric, then pay up, damn place is too expensive to be treated as if it costs the same as mecca. Or even a reimbursement for flights originating out of EWR that goes over guarantee. Say $200 each trip.

BTW, when it comes to hotels I do know that for some management employees at DAL they can have work in the city for several days but the company will not pay for a hotel inside the city. DALPA may. :D Not the company though. I'm sure they want to cut that bill and that sucks because I love NYC long overnights.

From the December flight ops update. Apologies if already posted.





NO PILOT HIRING ANTICIPATED IN 2012
Planned pilot hours are down in 2012 and we do not anticipate hiring during the next 12 months. However, we
are aware of the impending wave of pilots who will reach age 65 in the next 5-15 years and we are
continuously analyzing the situation. One point of interest is that among the domestic legacy carriers Delta has
the highest pilot average age. Crew Resources is working closely with Flight Training to identify our maximum
new-hire throughput in order to develop a long-term hiring plan. We are aware that this issue is not exclusive to
Delta and is both a domestic and worldwide industry issue and as such we will be competing for a limited pool
of qualified pilots.

Yes I do sit short call for JFK and LGA. I bid into the 737 when then had EWR trips, now they are none. That may change, and I am hoping it does. As for the short call, I am within the guidelines of being reasonably available to any of the NYC bases. EWER just happens to be closest for me...1 .3 hours.

This is what "When Scheduling Calls 2009" says about it:

"The requirement to be relieved of all duty for 24 hours in any 7
consecutive days applies to all pilots except international 4-man crew.
The 7 consecutive days are considered to be calendar days, while the 24
hours may be any 24 consecutive hours, i.e., not necessarily a calendar
day, and may occur on a layover.
Note that this is a flight limitation. A pilot may fly for 6 days and train
or deadhead on the 7th day. A reserve pilot may be on call for any
number of consecutive days, but must have been released from telephone
responsibilities for 24 hours at some point in the past 7 days prior to
reporting for domestic flight duty."

When I read that letter, I also noticed this section. I think Mgmt is taking a wait and see approach to other carriers and upcoming developments. Hiring is unavoidable, but the hiring could take the form of a merger.

I don't know anything, just how I read it with a slightly pessemistic slant.

Believe I would keep that opinion to myself in mixed company.....

Shortcall is readily or promptly available. Long call is reasonably available. I think in NYC and LA both, the S/C interpretation is "hey, I'm doing the best I can."