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Originally Posted by Sobchak (Post 1087879)

Reserve gurus, quick question. I'm on day 7 of a 10 day stint. Am I supposed to be released for 24/7? Are schedulers supposed to put it on my schedule? Can I be used for anything today? Tia

I'm in the same boat and received a call yesterday putting me on 24 hours of rest beginning at 1330 yesterday through today (doesn't have to be a calendar day). On iCrew there's a "R" on my line.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1087900)

Its true that Delta management has a history of also giving pilot negotiated items to the flight attendants.
However, I think we are better off in the long run if the flight attendants do not have a union.

I agree, especially since the primary negotiative tool of the FA's was the "Mee Too!" clause that was a thorn in our sides during so many section 6 negotiations. Now what we gain through negotiation is not formally linked to other employee groups. (For historical correctness the FA "Me Too!" had a lot of limitations) ie: pay pension, hours of service etc....but it applied to WAY too many things...AT NWA the pilots negotiating power was diluted quite often by 12,000 FA's...At least now management can think about it or not.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1087900)

However, I think we are better off in the long run if the flight attendants do not have a union.

You may be right. It would be unsettling to have our livelihoods at the mercy of unskilled labor.

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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat (Post 1087881)

Great. Now we'll expend our negotiating capital to benefit the FAs.

The company will have to cost out any benefits we negotiate and extend them to the FAs to keep them happy--and keep their union at bay. Our dues money hard at work.

Speaking of watering down our negotiating capital...DALPA is already on record advocating for CrewPass for the FAs. why, why, WHY?

Who knows--maybe DALPA will negotiate health insurance for the FAs' cats too, while they're at it. :eek:

I'm guessing someone with pull is married to a flight attendant. He needs his balls back.

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1087919)

I'm guessing someone with pull is married to a flight attendant. He needs his balls back.

Even so, the fact that DALPA spent any time, energy--or expended any type of influence, no matter how small--on the FAs' wish list, is simply stunning.

Apparently DALPA thinks they've got everything for the pilots under control, and can start tackling the FAs' wants.

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Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1087503)

I agree, with these LOAs and especially LOA 29, we have achieved some good gains outside of section 6. The negotiating committee is really earning their keep!

No they are not! They are stealing from the pilot group with all their full-time flight pay loss!:mad:

They are the 1.95%

Occupy 100 Hartsfied Centre Parkway Suite 800!!!!!!!

Power to the 98.05%!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat (Post 1087937)

Yeah! Dump Pilots for Kids and the DPCF too!!!! Until I get all of mine, to heck with the children!!!

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Cubdrick (Post 1087906)

I'm in the same boat and received a call yesterday putting me on 24 hours of rest beginning at 1330 yesterday through today (doesn't have to be a calendar day). On iCrew there's a "R" on my line.

RE: 24/7 Rule

I had the same question last month regarding reserve. Called an apla contract guy and was told 24/7 does not apply to 7ER reserve duty pilots. I asked why and was informed that the long call 12 hr day negates the FAR requirement for 24/7 rest. I remember FNWA honored the 24/7 issue, I am not sure why its now void? So, a reserve pilot may be required to work reserve for 10 days straight without a 24/7 break.

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Originally Posted by whaledriver1 (Post 1087941)

I believe this will be changing when the new rest rules come out. But, like anything lately, it won't be good for the pilot group in general.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1087659)

Fair enough Scoop (and sailing mentioned something similar happening before) so that's an understandable complaint.

So to me two options:

A) Separate NYC and EWR, or

B) Pay for transportation for reserve pilots from JFK/LGA to EWR for pilots sitting short call. So get your bottom to JFK/LGA and we'll pay for the cab to EWR.

Now option B might not sound fair to the folks in PA and NJ. But I took a look and counted up the NYC 88, 73N and 7ER trips that originate and end in EWR.

For the 88 I found 13 pairings were awarded in December out of 16. For the 73N there were 0 pairings. At least according to the bid package. For the 7ER there were 43 pairings awarded out of 1405 pairings.

If that is correct that means for the 88 a whopping 92% and on the ER 97% originate out of an airport east of the Hudson River.

But for the reserve pilot group they have to be 100% of the time prepared to make it over to EWR. Which could be problematic for the early 88 report times. The ER is mostly just going to AMS from what I can tell.

So have DAL pay for the cab since the assumption is 90%+ of your trips are out of LGA/JFK. $120. At worse you'll pay it 13 times on the 88 and 43 times on the ER but given the show time and propensity for commuters to fly in on the ER I bet it wouldn't happen often. But if it did that's $6,720 for the month of December for walk up rate for a NYC cab with tolls and tip. Sure it's cheaper on contract.

So that's my $0.02.

So with that theory, as a PA guy I can drive to EWR and the company can cab me to my trips that leave out of LGA and JFK, would save me a ton on the tolls to get back and forth over the Hudson.....
Probably not a good can of worms to open up, and I DEFINATELY would not want to burn negotiatin capital on this.