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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1096474)
Tebow? What about Cam? He just set the QB rushing/touchdown record in his rookie year at 13 and he's got a few more games to go...:eek:
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And the Packers were very lucky (or good) to have scraped by still undefeated...wow, what an ending. I figured the Giants were toast going into this game, but they put up a good fight and but for that last 58 second, 80 yard drive, would have won.
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1096391)
Carl,
How much unsecured debt (the kind that gets wiped out in bankruptcy) does American have? What is their total debt? What is Delta's total debt? Just out of curiosity, do you (or anyone else) get FLP for posting here? YES or NO. And when will the membership be able to transparently view WHO is getting FPL for WHAT? And why is this so difficult to deliver? |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1096393)
What!!! They aren't even on FPL and they're posting. Or maybe FPL covers sunday too.
4. I would like our collective bargaining agent to come out in the open and state its contract goals, not we heard you loud and clear. ^^^^this^^^^ |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1096441)
I don't know about you, but I'm kind of tired of living in interesting times.
I'll go on record first for taking this position, if AA fragments and we merge with all or part of them, we should treat their pilots fairly...bygones. We should also adopt their scope...Best parts of the contract and all that. As you know, I said I didn't think AA would actually file, the stars were not aligning, from a legal perspective, for them to do that successfully. Now that they have, I fear their ride is not going to be fun. I know and I was almost certain they would. Their filing date was a month earlier than I thought as well. I was also surprised to see them not file for DIP. Shows you how much of a takeover/fragmentation target they are. Even they know it. I agree the ride is not going to be fun, and I am sure that we will see at a minimum a merger, if not a fragmentation of them or LCC if AMR goes and ties the knot with B6. Worst case the White House cannot stomach the job loss of a fragmentation and goes for Foreign Ownership and sells it as a bipartisan deal in an election year. Bumps for sure. Educate yourself (not you but every pilot) on what each of these possibilities will mean for you and your family and for this group and for our company. As for the pilots and how we merge, we will cross that bridge if needed be. "Fair" is a funny word to use given the fact that they are in CH11 and their history buying distressed airlines and their labor groups. It will be a mess but may be necessary for us and for them. The hits just keep coming in this industry. Time to buy a lottery ticket! :D |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1096510)
As for the pilots and how we merge, we will cross that bridge if needed be. "Fair" is a funny word to use given the fact that they are in CH11 and their history buying distressed airlines and their labor groups. It will be a mess but may be necessary for us and for them. The hits just keep coming in this industry. Time to buy a lottery ticket! :D
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1096510)
I know and I was almost certain they would. Their filing date was a month earlier than I thought as well. I was also surprised to see them not file for DIP. Shows you how much of a takeover/fragmentation target they are. Even they know it.
I agree the ride is not going to be fun, and I am sure that we will see at a minimum a merger, if not a fragmentation of them or LCC if AMR goes and ties the knot with B6. Worst case the White House cannot stomach the job loss of a fragmentation and goes for Foreign Ownership and sells it as a bipartisan deal in an election year. Bumps for sure. Educate yourself (not you but every pilot) on what each of these possibilities will mean for you and your family and for this group and for our company. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1096517)
Well if foreign ownership means I can make what some of these foreign carriers pay, and not have to deal with the Railway Labor Act...
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Originally Posted by Opus
(Post 1096396)
Timbo, if I may correct you. Delta didn't pay United Health Care 15 million for Anderson. It put 15 million in contract incentives if Delta met certain financial goals. Even with that he left a lot, and I mean a lot, of cash on the table by coming to Delta.
Executive Suite: Delta chief takes unlikely flight path - USATODAY.com "Anderson decided to return to the airline industry, despite a pay cut to about $1.5 million annually in salary and bonus. Anderson potentially could earn as much as $15 million in three years from Delta if a special incentive package created to partially offset the pay cut he took pays out fully. He could have earned several times that had he stayed at UnitedHealth. Anderson says the attraction of returning to the industry is the "intellectual challenge of trying to make an important, long-lasting change in how … airlines are managed." Specifically, he says, Delta is positioned to show that airlines need not be vulnerable to the cyclical swings that have marked the industry's history." If he got paid 50K a year, I'd buy that BS. If he stays 30 years and gives back all his stock options if we go into BK, I'd buy in again. But he didn't and he won't. He is well compensated and taking a 1.5 mil cut to switch to DAL don't mean $hit. Lets not be foolish and think he's in it for anything but the cash. And just to be clear, he does not care about the employees and he does not care about you. |
Originally Posted by Opus
(Post 1096376)
For those wanting to vilify Richard Anderson I would like to take you to task on that. Look at the facts:
1) He fought against Mike Levine and John Dasburg and argued against them taking Northwest to a strike in '98. After the strike Levine wanted to park the 74s and fill the pacific with used DC-10s. It was Anderson that argued and won (being appointed to CEO over him) to update the NWA fleet. 319/320s in place of 727s and 330s to replace the DC-10s. 2) He offered the NWA pilots a 10 percent raise after 9/11 without a fight, which is why I personally believe that we will see a SWA like contract mid next year. 3) When Anderson left NWA in October of '04 he left millions of dollars of NWA stock on the table. He knew what was coming down the pipe and wanted no part of it. 4) What Anderson made at United Health Care was multiple times more than what he is getting at Delta. He took a massive pay cut to come back to the airlines. Anybody that has ever heard him speak knows that he loves airplanes and does love this industry. He truly has a vision of building a world class airline. That is his motivation not money. Yes, he is cutting back and Delta is saving money/paying down debt, because, once again he is trying to build a financially stable airline. 5) Look at the rest of the industry. Tell me that every other wouldn't love to have Anderson as a CEO. DAL has posted a 3B profit in the last 18 months where AA has lost 1B. That is a 4B differential in a very short time. That's staggering! Look at the rest of the industry: -USAir-civil war between the east and west. -United/Continental 10 year differential in relative seniority. Wait till that battle begins. -AA-Sad. Truly poor and sorry management! -Southwest- Let's see how this stapling of AirTran works. Carl, before you refute my points, I'll admit I can't beat you in a debate however I am pro DPA but not because I see a ghost behind every management team decision but because I see Alpa as conflicted. I'll take our management team over any in the industry. Its great he's paying down debt, it relly is. Its great he's getting a move on with some narrowbody replacement jets in a way that doesn't hurt our financials short or long term. I'm sure he believes the fuel guy we just hired is the best man for the job and I hope he is as well. But why sign on the Republic Air Group , that flies A320's and has C series and ore E190's on firm order by the way, for yet another batch of large RJ outsourcing, complete with profits going to directly fund a fare trashing competitor? Why would RA, if he was so sincere, even want a 3 year look back foreign JV with zero floor for 2 years followed by a one year at still under 50%? Why sell CPZ to TSA, then hire TSA anyway, when TSA is one of the most cut throat, labor busting bottom feeders in airline history...with 100 seat jet orders on the way and a CEO that really believes that by the time he takes delivery there will be scope relief? DCI bumping up against the 250+ DC-9-10 replacement jet outsource limit (if those planes were flown by DL pilots they would collectively comprise our single biggest fleet type by seat range), foreign code shares bumping up to the absolute limits, and Alaska dominating an entire coast and going east because we supposedly can't do one flight a day LA-SEA or SEA-BOS? Please. And even if we are offered SWA pay, and for the sake of arguement (and this is a big gimme for any CEO) offered SWA W-2's for small narrowbodys and up from there, by management, in a fairly quick timeline, what then will be the accompanying scope proposal? Far better (an absolute requirement or SWA pay means nothing), about the same (still worth striking over) or even worse in an attempt to get us to sell out our futures for a hamburger today? By their deeds you shall judge them. Trust but verify. His letters about sitting at C. E. Woolman's desk are heart warming, and there is no doubt he is smart and talented. But what will his next move be? I hope you are right in your estimation of him. I also want to trust him, but I'm waiting on the verify part that just isn't panning out quite yet. |
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