You're the only one talking about following the "steam rolled" examples alfaromeo. The rest of us are talking about following the examples of SWA and FDX. The sad fact is that while we're studying those successful examples, you MEC bureaucrats are busy mischaracterizing them in the hopes of getting us the results of the "steam rolled." All the flight pay loss in the world couldn't make me do what you do here alfaromeo.

Carl

As usual, you're clueless to the facts. You continue your bush(wood) league attacks to blow up your own golf course, just as in your movie.

The "bureaucrats" you malign while taking a swipe at me came into office after the tough typists like you had given away 32.5% of our pay. Those tough guys had typed how they were going to protect the pension, then were stunned when it went into liquidity shortfall. Then that group told everyone to "remain calm, all is well," then jumped into early retirement and the PRP program in the 3 months prior to bankruptcy. Real tough, those guys.

Those bureaucrats then salvaged $1.3 billion in real cash from the equity claim and another $650 million when the pension terminated. They got 3 years of 415C contributions to the retirement plan pre-tax, and helped get a Roth option for the total value of the remainder. They fought off a hostile takeover that would have furloughed 1500 of the 6800 remaining Delta pilots. They helped engineer a merger with another post-bankruptcy airline that increased compensation for their members by 22% and put 50 million shares of company stock in their pockets. And except for companies that haven't gone bankrupt (like FedEx, UPS, and SWA) the pay they negotiated leads the rest of the passenger industry. Oh, and Delta was the only legacy airline not to furlough during the 2008 economic downturn.

I'll take those type of bureaucrats over a keyboard ninja like you anyday. With your history, you must be so proud...:rolleyes:

"Crushing our hopes"... that's rich. You must be one really weak dude.:eek:

We showed you MEC bureaucrats our latest creative idea with the Flight Pay Loss resolution. The MEC responded to us and our LEC reps by telling us to shove the resolution. So now it's dead. It was far too important for the MEC to keep hidden what MEC bureaucrats like you get paid.

Like 4,000 others of my Delta brothers, my next creative idea is to vote in an in-house union. This will get you back to the Brazil trips that you want so bad. :rolleyes:

Carl

What's his name?

Carl,
First off, I agree with you 90+ % of the time. One question on the balance sheet as it does give me cause for concern. Maybe you can help.

Asset - Approx 9.8B in goodwill

Ours is much larger than others (AMR has none).

Is this really an asset and how is it calculated?
UAL is 4.5B...

Just asking (trying to understand)

And someone always wants to deflect away from what the JURY said. The JURY said that ALPA is guilty of misrepresenting the TWA pilots. Not blaming somebody else, guilty of misrepresenting their own pilots. TWA pilots.

Sure not the case at United. That was millions. Sure not the case with ALPA's own in-house union of clerical workers. They got $800,000.

Pure speculation on your part.

Funny you should mention it. The court is in the process of doing just that.

Pure speculation on your part. But speculation that is required if you want to continue to apologize for a union found GUILTY of misrepresenting their own members at TWA.

Carl

But since the time you DID know of the lawsuit, you did nothing but "predict" ALPA's total victory and portrayed TWA pilots as ungrateful cry babies who wanted to blame other people. That's what he meant.

Carl

Don't worry about it brudda. We "gods" can handle it. :D

Carl

Geeze this thread $ucks anymore.

Carl, Slow, Alfa......thanks for answering the real question I asked several pages back.

KMA Motherz

Ferd

Oh it sounds so impressive when you quote big numbers like that! :rolleyes: Why don't you post how many 10's of billions of dollars this pilot group has given up over the past decade in pay cuts, loss of pay due to stagnation caused by outsourcing, and loss of retirement benefits? Why don't you post where our current W2 buying power is compared with where it was prior to the pay cuts? (Hint: that "22%" you brag about amounts to essentially a COLA to our bankruptcy/emergency pay rates.) It should also be noted that the vast majority of the note, claim dollars, and equity stock went into our retirement accounts. It was a nice boost to those accounts, to be sure. But when contrasted with the loss of our pension and the performance of the market these past few years, most in this pilot group probably come out behind.... some way behind.

So, in essence, the real accomplishment of DALPA is that you did something unique. Something that had never been done before. You got "gains" as part of a merger. And you did it using "proactive engagement." A novelty that while it appears impressive on the surface, when viewed in the context of the big picture, we're all left holding the bag with diminished retirement accounts for most and W2 buying power that is about 40% below what we had a decade ago. Most of us can afford a standard of living for our families that is consistent with what we could afford during the darkest days of Delta's bankruptcy.

But congratulations! At least you have something for your resume, should you ever need a job with that Swelbar dude. (do they make an emoticon for "disgusted?")