Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1097702)

As usual, you're clueless to the facts. You continue your bush(wood) league attacks to blow up your own golf course, just as in your movie.

The "bureaucrats" you malign while taking a swipe at me came into office after the tough typists like you had given away 32.5% of our pay. Those tough guys had typed how they were going to protect the pension, then were stunned when it went into liquidity shortfall. Then that group told everyone to "remain calm, all is well," then jumped into early retirement and the PRP program in the 3 months prior to bankruptcy. Real tough, those guys.

Those bureaucrats then salvaged $1.3 billion in real cash from the equity claim and another $650 million when the pension terminated. They got 3 years of 415C contributions to the retirement plan pre-tax, and helped get a Roth option for the total value of the remainder. They fought off a hostile takeover that would have furloughed 1500 of the 6800 remaining Delta pilots. They helped engineer a merger with another post-bankruptcy airline that increased compensation for their members by 22% and put 50 million shares of company stock in their pockets. And except for companies that haven't gone bankrupt (like FedEx, UPS, and SWA) the pay they negotiated leads the rest of the passenger industry. Oh, and Delta was the only legacy airline not to furlough during the 2008 economic downturn.

I'll take those type of bureaucrats over a keyboard ninja like you anyday. With your history, you must be so proud...:rolleyes:

"Crushing our hopes"... that's rich. You must be one really weak dude.:eek:

Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1097706)

Carl,
First off, I agree with you 90+ % of the time. One question on the balance sheet as it does give me cause for concern. Maybe you can help.

Asset - Approx 9.8B in goodwill

Ours is much larger than others (AMR has none).

Is this really an asset and how is it calculated?
UAL is 4.5B...

Just asking (trying to understand)

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1097717)

Geeze this thread $ucks anymore.

Carl, Slow, Alfa......thanks for answering the real question I asked several pages back.

KMA Motherz

Ferd

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1097717)

Geeze this thread $ucks anymore.

Carl, Slow, Alfa......thanks for answering the real question I asked several pages back.

KMA Motherz

Ferd

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1097731)

Ferd,

I've been trying to find an answer to your shadow bid question. I think you now can bid for trips in the SEA 330 category, even if you arent qualified. You'll be paid for what you're awarded, even if OE isn't complete yet. I'm still looking, because I think the rules on this recently changed. (For the better)

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1097722)

I can understand your need to highlight what you bureaucrats did while disparaging the ones that came before you. It's important for you to get us to forget about the fact that those you disparage got Delta pilots the industry's leading contract. It's also important for you to get us to forget that you current crop of bureaucrats now lead the industry in outsourcing the jobs of the people you represent. You also need to get us to forget how you bureaucrats just took our lawful resolution on flight pay loss and killed it. Far too important for you to continue to hide behind secrecy rather than show us what you guys actually get paid.

Carl

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1097381)

Ok, for all you smart guys..........

What is a "shadow bid" in PBS. It's after I'm done with training, but it doesn't go all the way to the end of the month. Can I bid a trip that goes into those supposedly days off at the end of the month?

I'm thinking just bidding a list of trips as normal and then have training take them away when I'm scheduled for OE (glad I'm not senior enough to take nice ones)? Also, I assume I'm on some sort of reserve until the end of the month after OE? Or is that the "wrong company".........only been 13 years since I did a school:D

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1097734)

LOA 29. Those in training can now bid for a line and will paid and credited for the time they are in training. It gets rid of blank lines of time etc. Look up LOA 29 and the associated Negotiator's Note Pad.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1097717)

Geeze this thread $ucks anymore.

Carl, Slow, Alfa......thanks for answering the real question I asked several pages back.

KMA Motherz

Ferd

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1097520)

Whidbey;

I agree with almost eveything you said. The buck does begin and end with us. If you are new to mother D as your avatar says, you will find that about 65% of your coworkers vote yes every time. If you should on occasion find yourself in the 35% crowd, welcome to reality. This isn't baseball arbitration. There are no merit upgrades. There are no O-2 or O-3 NATOPs or OEV (DOV) guys.

-88 drvr came to DAL from TWA, a major airline that worked for less due to a robber baron who gutted that company. If you were in his shoes and noone was hiring, would you have chosen unemployment due to your principles or would you have continued to feed your family while you tried to move up to a better (paying) company.

I am not new to mother D. I miss that starry eyed great feeling when I got hired. I didn't know squat about unions. I grew up in the merit upgrade culture of the military.

While I cannot put it into words why, I don't begrudge the vast majority of regional pilots on anything (there are some bottom feeders that I cant vouch for). I dont know why, despite really REALLY wanting to reel in scope. I dont want to just pull up the ladder. I say bring 'em aboard, they've been doing the job of flying DAL pax for years.

In the end, pilots are only worth what the MAJORITY are willing to work for.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1097687)

You'll all have to excuse alfaromeo here. He lied to us a few days ago and I called him on it. So, as always, he refuses to answer the original question and lashes out against anyone who questions the MEC bureaucrat. The following is for the others who are NOT trying to deflect and change the subject:

All data available on the respective corporate balance sheets as of 9/30/2011:

Total Assets: DAL = $43.0 Billion, AMR = $24.7 Billion
This makes AMR about 43% smaller than DAL. In other words, you need to multiply an AMR datapoint by 1.74 to make it comparable. For example, take AMR assets of $24.7 Billion and multiply it by 1.74 and you get DAL assets of $43 Billion. Now, lets start the comparisons:

Total Liabilities: DAL = $41.8 Billion, AMR = $29.6 Billion. Multiply $29.6 Billion by 1.74 and you get $51.5 Billion. That's $10 Billion more liability than they should have compared to Delta.

Long and Short Term Debt: DAL = $14.5 Billion, AMR = $11.7 Billion. Multiply $11.7 Billion by 1.74 and you get $20.4 Billion. That's $5.9 Billion more Long and Short Term Debt than they should have compared to Delta.

Delta Assets = $43.0 Billion, Liabilites = $41.8 Billion. $1.2 Billion LESS.
AMR Assets = $24.7 Billion, Liabilities = $29.6 Billion. $4.9 Billion MORE.

This is why I assert that AMR is where they are (bankruptcy court) because of a debt problem. NOT a lack of Joint Ventures and code share as alfaromeo asserts.

Again, all data readily available on the web if anyone wants to check it out for themselves.

Carl