Originally Posted by Superpilot92

it hasnt started but the system sucks and for us commuters, 3 sc's in a week and not consecutive is bs. they dont have any flying or adequate reserves so the same guys are getting sc over and over because they've only got 3 reserves available....

Originally Posted by gloopy

Yeah sometimes we chase our tails on this one. While "productivity" is a four letter word among unions, it is why SWA has been so phenomenally successful while paying dramatically more than their competitors all while having 100% scope.

As nice as it is to think we can legislate through our contract massive unproductively to drive hiring it just doesn't work like that. All that does is push for even more outsourcing at an ever more fervent pace (thanks spell checker).

Some guys still think we can open section 6 and be all like "ok you ignorant managers, here's a contract doubling the number of pilots required to do the exact same amount of work...AND we're getting a big raise!" It just doesn't work like that. Little scams like "buddy-bid-month-off-greenslip-line-triple-pay" and touch drop vacations that many want so a select few can get over a month off with each week's vacation while others only get 4 days are sneaky little jailhouse lawyer tricks and are extremely expensive and unproductive ways to concentrate the value of a CBA into the hands of a very select few while having NOTHING to do with honoring seniority. Likewise, senior reserves flying 2 days a quarter while junior reserves fly max lines every month is equally unreasonable.

Seniority should matter for a lot of things on reserve, but it shouldn't mean getting an entire month off while others in category work 18 non commutable days. All line holders, junior or senior, fly a full line value. You can bid min or max, but you're flying a full line. But somehow when it comes to reserve, seniority is an entitlement to be the absolute last to be used under any circumstance. So senior reserve under that type of system becomes yet another micro empire slush fund and the rest of the CBA has to eat the cost of that. Like I think FTB mentioned, the logical equivalent would be to give the top 10% of lineholders the month off while distributing their trips among the other line holders to fly on their days off for no additional pay because hey, we got to respect the seniority.

Some will say productivity will result in excess staffing, but that is only true if you keep the insanely high levels of outsourcing we have. And when we go for SWA pay, the company will demand SWA productivity to which I say we tell them to bring it on...right after we get their scope and pay. We have the upper hand on the productivity argument anyway. Want us to fly 800+ block hour years for narrowbody domestic? OK, but we're getting SWA pay for small narrowbody flying and up from there and work rules that give reserves 14/15 days a month off and the average line holder 18. That means we will need extremely good rigs to drive that productivity, amirite?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Give the boys credit, that's a pretty slick idea, sky writing with a 787:

Originally Posted by Nopac

Haha!

Well, if you're gonna be up there for 19 hours, you might as well have some fun.
It must have been flown by a former Air Force pilot, though- Writing the company logo probably seemed like a "neat idea."
Had a Navy guy been at the controls we'd be looking at a two-thousand mile long phallus...

Originally Posted by XtremeF150

Good stuff right there!
I know we have stuff we need to fix but I get so sick of ppl that can't stop B1tching. I think maybe some of these people should put all this energy into fixing the problem and give up some of their APC posting time.
I always say if your not willing to give up your time to do the job dont complain about how someone else is doing it.
ALPA guys don't think I don't expect a good contract like the rest of the pilot group. Just like to say I appreciate your time.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Much has been made of the whining about displacements and reserve on the L&G thread lately. From Alpha's arrogance, to Nu's admonishment, to Sailing's explanations to Capt. Carl's condolences.

Scientists observed that when exposed to pain, people in all cultures cursed and wined. Further study demonstrated that people who cussed the most were able to endure a greater level of pain than those told to exclaim random non curse, non complaints.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Bar,

There's a reason that guys on FPL come around here to stoke the fires, and you hit upon them.

If you are bit'ching here, that means you are NOT bit'ching on the web board OR TO YOUR REP, or, God forbid, show up an an LEC or MEC meeting.

It also means once you've released your pent up energy, you won't persue REAL change.

As long as they keep the animals restless in their little cage, when the door is left open, they're too tired to go anywhere.

Nu

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin

Uhh the reserve system was NEVER designed for "us" commuters. Try having NO long calls. So you'll get your 6 sc's early in the month and then be done with them. I know guys are frustrated but unless your seniority can't hold any other equipment in any other base, just gotta deal with it.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

We need to wrest the committee structure back from the MEC Chair, and put it back where it belongs, with the MEC at large.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Again look at Monday's and Tuesday's and not just the weekends. You'll see the disparity there especially when you see available reserves on a weekend down to 0 and then back up to 60 to 80 on Monday.