You're managing expectations upwards.



Disclaimer... public math about to happen:

BTW, $35K raise is pretty good but the 401K on top of that will add more. Unless we're willing to go with less 401K contribution? I don't know if I am. But that'd be a 22K raise if it was done that way.

So I say 35K plus 14% or $40K gross plus I'd guess another 15% in FICA, medicare and other taxes so $46K per pilot x 11,000 (say 1K are on mil leave or NBC) and it comes to $500K or so cost to the airline and $35K in our pocket.

Say a typical 7 year NB FO on the 738, at min pay they'd make $133K and $158/hr. We'd best FedEx NB pay for same years by $14k and SWA by $3K and increase costs here by $500K.

So I guess that's a 32% raise to get $35k in base pay? 32% is in the range of that DPA survey of 1,000 or so pilots so may be it's a good sampling of what was demanded by the pilots in the ALPA survey.

All in favor say Don't Kill Cats for Money.

 

That's funny.

 

Make an effort to call your reps and perhaps the reps from several different bases. Unless they are all great liars which means were in deep trouble anyway you will find they are very consistent on where the surveys came in. Their numbers also match most of the guys I fly with. They are not going to tell you exact numbers but will give you a good idea. The one thing that surprised me is the numbers matched up well with a earlier phone survey. I thought that with the bigger profits since then the numbers would go up.
As I have said on here many times the companies opener is going to stun pilots. At best it will be cost neutral and may even be concessionary. RA feels that we are paid about right at the moment and has no plans for a major raise.
As far as some of the posts on the NMB they are all ready heavily involved in our contract and openers have not even been exchanged. You can view the powerpoint presentation they gave the MEC in JAN on the DALPA website. They understand that the Delta contract is a watershed contract for the industry. They are going to stay closely involved even before it gets officially remanded to them. As I mentioned in other posts this contract will be won or lost behind the scenes in Washington DC and the ATA and Company have more money to buy influence. That is why DPA would be a utter failure. They would have zero influence and it takes years to even decades to build that up. The fact ALPA was able to push through a expensive piece of special interest legislation in Jan gives me some hope however!

 

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Sailingfun,

Any "color" on scope, either from the Company, or our MEC's, perspective?

 

There's a big difference between 100% and that mysterious number that's unknown but rumored to be low.

Speaking of, since DALPA loves printing out "Rumor Control" papers for my v-file that tell me ALPA's losing a class action law suit wasn't really a loss in the real sense, and by the way ALPA would never do anything other than put every pilot's interest first and foremost even if it means less power for ALPA, then why not one for something about the survey? Rumor Control: DALPA will not reveal the survey results, but through leaks we believe we can get you to accept they're what we hint they're close to, which if you're a reasonable individual you'll accept that a pilot is happy working for what he makes now plus a cola increase.

 

Is she hot?

 

Mea Culpa.

 

Don't drink and work. If you want to compromise yourself go right ahead, just don't compromise anyone else at any time. Seems like a simple concept.

But you can drink and post. Evidently there is a lot of that around here sometimes. And then there are those of us who write like we are but we never are.

 

Heavily involved because they gave a presentation? I viewed it and found it informative as to the process of how and when the NMB gets involved, and perhaps a cautionary tone to IF we ended up like AMR or LCC which I view as highly unlikely in any case, so it was nice information but not applicable to us