Sure. Here is the post that myself and others described as a great post...emphasis mine:

There is nothing in the RLA that would prevent us from demanding this. There is nothing in the RLA that would prevent us from achieving what SWAPA, FDX, UPS or any of our other profitable competitors have...even with the NMB involved. Why? Because we are very, very profitable. Therefore, industry leading wages are justifiable, and easily so.

Since there is nothing in the RLA that prevents us from this, when sailingfun made this comment:

one of two things have happened. Either he doesn't know what's in the RLA or the role of the NMB, or he's parrotting the view of DALPA whereby they use their distorted view of the RLA and NMB to pre-excuse failure before negotiations even begin.

Carl

 

That was DALPA's excuse as to why they couldn't add that data into the contract comparison. That prompted me to look on the internet, and quickly find Air France's pilot compensation - which I've posted here at least a half dozen times...including a link to the website. And just so you know, it was WAY above what Delta pilots make.

Carl

 

I put twice as much on my DALPA survey for what I expect for day one of a new contract than what I put on the DPA. DALPA's was well before DPA's. Between the two my expectations were managed downward. But we have to believe DALPA's numbers are lower because...well they say (without exactly saying exactly) that they are.

 

If DAL pilots cant be compared to SWA that means the DAL pilots are worth about 5 times more than the pilots of SWA. I gather that by looking at RA's pay compared to Kelly's pay. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander"

TEN

 

Oh, well this guy Capt. Lim from the one and only Royal Dutch Airlines is sure in trouble. According to him and his 2006 payscales, they take in 306K in those A seats and 216K in those in the B seats at the top of the scales. Don't believe it? Look for yourself drvr. You are going to have to get a new talking point briefing after this.

KLM (Royal Dutch Airlines)

So, how about them apples drvr? Do you want to try again?

Edit. Note the handy currency converter in the middle of the payscale portion.

 

You most certainly can go on strike from your job at a private company. Odds are though, you will be replaced relatively quickly.

 

Love to know why they never joined the fight. Then again, look at their successes in their other fights. TWA v ALPA, United Pilots v ALPA, their own office staff v ALPA, etc. etc.

 

Can you point to something I wrote that you disagree with on a factual basis?

I'm just trying to make the point that we need to police our own profession. The company or the ATA sure aren't going to. Examining management's arguments might provide instruction as to weaknesses in our own.

In my opinion, it has been far too easy to become an airline pilot in the last ten years. That fact does not improve our leverage at the negotiating table. As such, it's something we need to examine and improve. Getting those flight time requirements passed and enforced should be a top priority at ALPA national, in my opinion.

Relatedly, what is the current turbine PIC requirement to be considered qualified at SWA? It think it fluctuates between 1300-1500. That requirement makes sense. If you're hiring people as Captains, how have they demonstrated that ability if they have not served in said capacity?

You're off by a few.

Exactly. Getting into that 5500 has become way too easy, and a huge percentage of that 5500 is out there right now flying half of Delta's daily flights.

I was referring to T's comments about pilots who showed up after C2k talking about what they had lost. I wasn't here during 2000 or the bankruptcy either. While I think it's criminal what was done to the pilot group, I cannot state that I was directly effected by that loss.

If I got on at a major airline in my mid twenties never having commanded a high performance aircraft, or with the ability to count on one hand how many times I'd flown a jet aircraft from takeoff to land without an autopilot (and under the supervision of someone else at that), I wouldn't be loudly proclaiming that I deserve the same career prestige and compensation as our Captain ranks, many of whom are more likely to have pounded around thunderstorms hauling night freight, or been over Baghdad in 1991.

Further, I wouldn't be making that argument if I spent my first several years in the industry doing the same job for less and undercutting the pilots who made this career a profession.

In my opinion, ALPA representation of of many of these pilots serves to water down a the professional standard. The fact that so many pilots who have not been subjected to a meaningful standard of selection upon entering the profession are represented by ALPA also handcuffs our union with respect to arguments that they can make that would support (mainline) Delta pilots.

Delta is not attracting the cream of the crop right now. The guys in the active component where I drill that are even interested in the airlines have Delta as a plan C or D. You said Delta pay was a transition. With your resume, you are literally making half of what you could elsewhere.

Two of your classmates have left for Southwest, and I bet a bottle of Macallan 18 against that Air Force neckerchief of yours that at least one, maybe two will be hauling boxes very soon. My goal is for this contract to reverse that trend.

 

I don't understand why everyone is so concerned with seeing the "opener". I don't really care what the opener is, as I am sure that is not what we will end up with. What I care about is what they send out for ratification. If it is weak, it will get voted down. I believe in the majority of our 12,000+ pilots that we can think on our own. Most of us deliberate with our friends, peers, coworkers about the merits of a contract and I believe that we can come to a logical conclusion. Just as we are not all lemmings that will willingly go down the path of "we must give concessions or status quo", we are not all lemmings that will follow the endless path of full restoration plus cola. Reality is somewhere in between these two positions.

 

Looks like you were off by 17%, nearly double your response of 20, as compared to the results of the other guys survey's final count.